The Illinois Football Coaching Search

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#476      
This is a serious question: why is there so much hate for Bielema here? Is it because he is, ultimately, an Iowa product? His mediocre (though good by our current standards) results at Arkansas? Is there something about his personality or coaching practices that I am not aware of (I know the guy is really intense, but so are a lot of coaches)?

I am just curious, because when I look at him as a possibility, the worst reaction I have is basically "*shrug* worth a shot."

Huh..that is right. He is an Iowa product. Now I hate him.
 
#478      
Iirc he has had some regulation issues in the past. Playing inelligible players. Don't think Whitman goes this route.

Doing a little Internet searching on that, this occurred at Charleston Southern in 14 and 15. He was an extremely young head football coach (37) and was at a small school that had only had a football program for about 15 years. Maybe it could be chalked up to an inexperienced coach at a school that didn’t have a robust compliance infrastructure. Or maybe not.

If you’re Whitman, I don’t think you’re in a position to exclude a candidate outright, but he has to do his due diligence.
 
#480      
Doing a little Internet searching on that, this occurred at Charleston Southern in 14 and 15. He was an extremely young head football coach (37) and was at a small school that had only had a football program for about 15 years. Maybe it could be chalked up to an inexperienced coach at a school that didn’t have a robust compliance infrastructure. Or maybe not.

If you’re Whitman, I don’t think you’re in a position to exclude a candidate outright, but he has to do his due diligence.

Coaches get a lot of leeway by using buzz phrases and what not but that would absolutely not fly here and you have to consider a coach's entire body of work. It's unlikely that Chadwell didn't know what was going on. See: most recent coaching scandals
 
#481      
Lance Liepold has been mentioned a ton in this thread already. He also has what I’d call a “Jerry Kill resume.” He’s a little older than I’d want, but beggars, choosers, etc.
 
#483      
Ron Turner offered Bielema a preferred walk on spot but Iowa offered a full ride and he took it. Captain his senior year.

Was hired at Wisc with the full knowledge of everyone that he would be Alvarez's replacement. He and Alvarez were virtually inseparable at Wisc the whole time. A big winner, I have no idea while he left but it ranks as one of the dumber college decisions ever. His wife burned a few verbal bridges on the way out of town.

Got reprimanded at Iowa for calling the Iowa State coach a P**** and telling him how much he enjoyed beating Iowa State for 4 straight years. This was during the post game handshake.

Got fired after losing to Missouri as he was walking off the field.
 
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Illiniaaron

Geneseo, IL
This is a serious question: why is there so much hate for Bielema here? Is it because he is, ultimately, an Iowa product? His mediocre (though good by our current standards) results at Arkansas? Is there something about his personality or coaching practices that I am not aware of (I know the guy is really intense, but so are a lot of coaches)?

I am just curious, because when I look at him as a possibility, the worst reaction I have is basically "*shrug* worth a shot."
As a casual observer, I was mostly impressed by him at Wisconsin although he inherited a position that was set up for success. Probably most people are down on him from his crash and burn at Arkansas. I remember back in the 70s and 80s Arkansas was a pretty good program, I guess moving from the old Southwest Conference to the Southeast has been tough for them.
 
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KrushCow31

Former Krush Cow
Chicago, IL
This is a serious question: why is there so much hate for Bielema here? Is it because he is, ultimately, an Iowa product? His mediocre (though good by our current standards) results at Arkansas? Is there something about his personality or coaching practices that I am not aware of (I know the guy is really intense, but so are a lot of coaches)?

I am just curious, because when I look at him as a possibility, the worst reaction I have is basically "*shrug* worth a shot."
I wrote out most of my feelings in a following reply. #435

After you've read my reply there, I guess my question would be what about his resume makes you think he would be more successful than Lovie? Wouldn't you rather take a young up and coming coach? I just think it's a boring hire.

Of course I don't speak for everyone. For me, the Iowa stuff has no bearing at all.
 
#486      
Fun thought exercise on Monken and the pure triple option....how many Big 10 defensive coordinators know how to defend it? How many have experience coaching a defense how to defend it? How many defensive players have seen it live at the college or high school level? How many games can be won just based on schematic advantages Monken would bring? How quickly would other Big 10 defenses adapt?
It is not a very difficult offense to defend unless a coach is stuck on the 60s way to defend it.
 
#487      
This is a serious question: why is there so much hate for Bielema here? Is it because he is, ultimately, an Iowa product? His mediocre (though good by our current standards) results at Arkansas? Is there something about his personality or coaching practices that I am not aware of (I know the guy is really intense, but so are a lot of coaches)?

I am just curious, because when I look at him as a possibility, the worst reaction I have is basically "*shrug* worth a shot."
Well besides hitting on cheerleaders and suing the last school he was involved with plus the many accounts that he is a miserable human being I would prefer we stay away.
 
#488      
Also re: Liepold...

He was HC at Whitewater at the same time Whitman was AD at conference rival LaCrosse.

Figure they must be at least familiar with one another.
 
#489      
In order of calls(just speculating here):

1. Fickell
2. Some big name NFL/CFB assistant
3. Upandcomers

But FWIW I think JW already has his guy and is just waiting till he can announce it.
 
#490      
Have we all forgot or now no longer care about Sean Lewis? Guy is super young, runs an exciting offense, is from Chicago, played at Wisc, and has strong ties to Midwest recruiting and turned around a program that is the Illinois equivalent of the MAC. If he can whip the ball around in Northern Ohio he sure as hell can do it here and guys seems like a rising star that is decently connected. Alvarez even had good things to say about him. I know he lost to Liepold this year but he beat them last year. Seems to be an okay recruiter and can get kids to go to what is viewed as a bad place to go. Seems custom made for Illinois and where we are at now. Plus he and JW wot make a sexy HC, AD combo with that former B1G TE look.
 
#492      

sacraig

The desert
Ron Turner offered Bielema a preferred walk on spot but Iowa offered a full ride and he took it. Captain his senior year.

Was hired at Wisc with the full knowledge of everyone that he would be Alvarez's replacement. He and Alvarez were virtually inseparable at Wisc the whole time. A big winner, I have no idea while he left but it ranks as one of the dumber college decisions ever. His wife burned a few verbal bridges on the way out of town.

Got reprimanded at Iowa for calling the Iowa State coach a P**** and telling him how much he enjoyed beating Iowa State for 4 straight years. This was during the post game handshake.

Got fired after losing to Missouri as he was walking off the field.

I believe, if I recall correctly from back then, he was drawn in part by the allure of coaching a program that has historically been quite good and coaching in the SEC. He was also frustrated by having too small a budget to pay his assistants at Wisconsin. Obviously it didn't work out for him.
 
#493      
So can every human. But there's a difference between Bielema and Lovie beyond "they can both be a-holes!". And if we don't care about the differences then let's get in the mud and hire someone who has a better record than Bielema and stop having the AD mention integrity.
Who? There's no coach out there with the resume that Bielema has. 3 Rose Bowls in the conference you want him to coach in. I feel like some of you people just don't want to hire a Rival coach for personal tastes. I don't care about any of that. I want to win. Would you take Fitzee? i would. Fleck? You bet. Would you say no to those coaches too?
 
#494      

sacraig

The desert
Well besides hitting on cheerleaders and suing the last school he was involved with plus the many accounts that he is a miserable human being I would prefer we stay away.

I am more concerned about the first of those things than the second. He's well within his right to sue over breach of contract. If found in his favor, then that's on Arkansas for signing a crappy contract with him and then breaching it.
 
#495      
The only other pure option comparison that comes to mind in the last 20 years, is Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech. During his 11 year run, I think he was the only Power 5 program to run the option. His record at GT was 82-61. If Monken is as good as many say he is, wouldn't Illinois love to have a run/record like this?


2008 Georgia Tech 9–4 5–3 T–1st (Coastal) L Chick-Fil-A 22 22
2009 Georgia Tech 10–3[Note 1] 7–1 1st (Coastal) L Orange† 13 13
2010 Georgia Tech 6–7 4–4 T–3rd (Coastal) L Independence
2011 Georgia Tech 8–5 5–3 T–2nd (Coastal) L Sun
2012 Georgia Tech 7–7 5–3 T–1st (Coastal) W Sun
2013 Georgia Tech 7–6 5–3 T–2nd (Coastal) L Music City
2014 Georgia Tech 11–3 6–2 1st (Coastal) W Orange† 7 8
2015 Georgia Tech 3–9 1–7 7th (Coastal)
2016 Georgia Tech 9–4 4–4 5th (Coastal) W TaxSlayer
2017 Georgia Tech 5–6 4–4 3rd (Coastal)
2018 Georgia Tech 7–6 5–3 2nd (Coastal) L Quick Lane
I posted on this before, but I don’t think the ACC in Johnson’s early years at GT was as good as B1G is now. And GT’s 0-4 record in bowls during those years seems to bear that out. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think it was about 2012 when top teams in ACC really started becoming formidable on a consistent basis. I think Johnson’s last 4 years are really the ceiling on what triple could accomplish in B1G and really don’t think it would even be that consistent. If the goal is to be about a .500 team in conference (yes, I know that is an improvement over what we’ve had) then triple could achieve that, though I have my doubts. And I think when hiring a new coach should be striving for more than that.
 
#496      
I posted on this before, but I don’t think the ACC in Johnson’s early years at GT was as good as B1G is now. And GT’s 0-4 record in bowls during those years seems to bear that out. Maybe I’m wrong, but I think it was about 2012 when top teams in ACC really started becoming formidable on a consistent basis. I think Johnson’s last 4 years are really the ceiling on what triple could accomplish in B1G and really don’t think it would even be that consistent. If the goal is to be about a .500 team in conference (yes, I know that is an improvement over what we’ve had) then triple could achieve that, though I have my doubts. And I think when hiring a new coach should be striving for more than that.

Paul Johnson reminds me a lot of Monken in that they will play some wildly close games against a powerhouse but then also play close against a small program. Not suprising because Monken is from the Johnson coaching tree.

I would fully support Monken as HC but what scares me is it's for a lot of rhe reasons I was also very supportive of Lovie. Monken seems like a great guy, but they've been outcoached more than once.
 
#497      
I know nothing...but before Lovie got fired there were sources out of Vanderbilt that were saying Monken was close to a deal with them. Vanderbilt has now hired Lea from ND. Does this mean that Monken is Whitman's guy?
 
#498      
18 pages and counting on the search basically 24 hours since the news came out - kudos to all of you at loyalty. Great thread, really informative discussion on all these candidates. My personal favorite among the realistic choices at this point is Leipold but will never count Whitman out for surprises after Lovie and Underwood. Carry on
Your line of thinking seems to be correct
 
#499      
I don't like Bielema but mostly because of the vibes sI get from him. I would fully support him as a HC. He may have a Iowa tattoo but he was also born in Illinois.
His entire family is still a big part of HS football in northern Illinois. His brother Cory coached Morrison for 11 years with 2 state titles. Then resigned a couple years ago to become principle. He's as much of an instate Illinois guy as anyone being discussed other than the Monkens
 
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