Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (Week of July 5th, 2021)

Status
Not open for further replies.
#401      

pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
pruman91
Does this NIL lessen or strengthen the influence of the AAU managers ????????
 
#402      

PIT_ILL

P
PIT_ILL
Illini0440Tribute said:
By “reportedly already lined up companies that are pledging flat money to recruits” do you really mean “retained”? Pretty sure all this does is allow them to do this over the table and will make it that much harder for the ncaa to punish wrongdoings. How do you prove this persons value at UNC isn’t $1m to send a 10s clip to a very wealthy and loyal diehard fan?
Click to expand...
I am very curious how the definition of booster versus sponsor will work with respect to NIL
 
#404      

Calvin

C
Calvin
JFGsCoffeeMug said:
Social media manager, brand manager, marketing manager, and sports agent are all actual jobs.
Click to expand...

True, but don't you think that will come with the offer? In other words, the program will provide all the support staff (provided the player needs/wants it) if they really want the player?

In the coaching world, compensation is often divided up into categories. Coach gets $x for coaching, $x for media obligations, $x for academic progress or other PR related goals, and then they also usually get performance bonus, for example making the tournament, etc..

I would expect the market for NIL will go a similar route for the following reason: the program will want to push the risk onto the player. So if they offer a player $100k in support staff, and the player lays an egg on social media, the program will be insulated from the downside risk. The really elite guys will be able to dictate terms and guarantees, but they programs will want to structure offers in a way that protects their interests.

If there's one thing we've learned from the NCAA over the years --PR disasters are survivable, but losing money will not be tolerated.
 
#405      

SeattleSlim

S
SeattleSlim
Joel Goodson said:
Kidding, right? It's been that way for forever.
Click to expand...
You may begin to see new extremes (already seeing it with the money)… and that’s when the illusion many of us have enjoyed will cease.

When gambling, e.g., begins to exert its influence on players and outcomes … what would you expect? Real sport???
 
Last edited:
#406      

pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
pruman91
has it officially been announced garcia to unc ???... saw the Goodman tweet, but anything else ??
 
#409      

illini80

illini80
Forgottonia
illini80
Fighter of the Nightman said:
RE: Illinois not being a “big market” … ridiculous.

1) There are about 2 million people in Central IL alone (and more in pretty major metros/TV markets like C-U, B-N, Peoria, etc. than people think … i.e., it’s not very rural, population-wise). Whatever people want to say about our instate fan support, it’s as rabid in Central IL as anyone’s anywhere in the nation.

2) There are about 4.5 million people in all of Downstate IL, which is pretty big for a “fairly dominant territory” for a team. As an example, even assuming Wisconsin had no instate competition for fans (obviously not true with Milwaukee and Marquette), we’d already be barely below them before counting ANY of Chicagoland.

3) We SHOULD count Chicago as our market. Not only do we have 250,000 alumni in the area (FAR more than any other school), but we are also one of VERY few teams that non-alumni Chicago fans (like me!) will support. The Illini gear and coverage REALLY picked up last spring as we were hitting our stride.

4) None of this counts the more basic fact that we are in one of the most high-exposure conferences in the country and coming off of a season that truly reinvigorated our fan support. This isn’t about “best,” it’s about “biggest” … and we are as big of a “market” as anyone but about a handful of schools, IMO:

BLUE BLOODS
1) Kentucky
2) North Carolina
3) Duke
4) Kansas
5) UCLA
6) Indiana
7) Louisville

TEAMS CLEARLY “BIGGER”
8) Syracuse
9) Ohio State
10) Michigan
11) Texas

You can make arguments for additional schools like MSU or Arizona depending on what you’re valuing, but the media markets in which you are covered is going to matter more, and that SHOULD favor us if we play our cards right. If Ayo plays for any other school, there isn’t a billboard of him in Downtown Chicago that says “Illinois’ Own Draft Pick.” We will still lose to the Blue Bloods a lot (what’s new?), but this benefits us more than the vast majority of schools.
Click to expand...
I will just say this, and time alone will give the true answer, if we have the ability to raise big market money why do we have the second highest debt load in the country? We are not raising the money other schools are. Sure we have pledges spread out over time. Others have cash in hand. And clearly more in the pockets ready to deal.

Edit: And there are a lot of other programs that raise a ton of money not on your list. As I said in a follow up, I see us as top 25, not top 15.
 
Last edited:
#410      

JFGsCoffeeMug

JFGsCoffeeMug
BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
JFGsCoffeeMug
Calvin said:
True, but don't you think that will come with the offer? In other words, the program will provide all the support staff (provided the player needs/wants it) if they really want the player?

In the coaching world, compensation is often divided up into categories. Coach gets $x for coaching, $x for media obligations, $x for academic progress or other PR related goals, and then they also usually get performance bonus, for example making the tournament, etc..

I would expect the market for NIL will go a similar route for the following reason: the program will want to push the risk onto the player. So if they offer a player $100k in support staff, and the player lays an egg on social media, the program will be insulated from the downside risk. The really elite guys will be able to dictate terms and guarantees, but they programs will want to structure offers in a way that protects their interests.

If there's one thing we've learned from the NCAA over the years --PR disasters are survivable, but losing money will not be tolerated.
Click to expand...
I could see that happening, but it will be similar to office hours for a professor or TA. You make it available and make sure people know it exists, but there are no guarantees that people will actually utilize those services. I would expect every player will make time to attend the first meeting or two just to get an idea of what's possible or realistic. Beyond the first few meetings, only the truly determined/stubborn/marketable will remain engaged.
 
Last edited:
#411      

LongLiveTheChief

L
LongLiveTheChief
PIT_ILL said:
I am very curious how the definition of booster versus sponsor will work with respect to NIL
Click to expand...
The ultimate gray area. This is a legal way for boosters to buy the top prospects. I’m curious what happens when one of those players transfers away from a blue blood after making those deals - can those deals be contingent on who they play for?
 
#413      

LongLiveTheChief

L
LongLiveTheChief
JFGsCoffeeMug said:
I could see that happening, but it will be similar to office hours for a professor or TA. You make it available and make sure people know it exists, but there are no guarantees that people will actually utilize those services.
Click to expand...
This works, but I would be that at a certain point someone is making deals to get recruits and promising guarantees and maybe even just flat out giving large chunks of money for use of their NIL - if the company buys rights to their NIL for say, 1 year, and then they tweet using that players Twitter, doesn’t that fall into the legal realms of NIL?
 
#414      

Pikeillinifan

Pikeillinifan
Pikeillinifan
Let's assume Garcia is done and headed to UNC, IF (a big if) we can keep Kofi in the fold we'll all forget all of this (for now).

I really hope they have been going all in on Kofi and we can match anything he can get elsewhere. That said, we really don't know how important OA is to him. The kid is from another country and perhaps he really needs that strong support and relationship with OA.

Regardless, my bet is recruiting is going to get crazier with NIL, but my assumption is we will still be able to reel in the same level of recruits we have - but getting the 5* and top 25 players is going to remain VERY hard for us, but that is nothing new.
 
#417      

illini80

illini80
Forgottonia
illini80
@illini.zone IG said:
Do we know how realistic landing obanor is? I’ve heard Arkansas is going after him, but his 3 point percentage is very appealing.
Click to expand...
The whole discussion of recruiting changed July 1. Depending on the player, the “fit” may be more about NIL for them than anything else. I know everyone thinks they can play in the NBA, but good lord if these guys make a couple $M going to the right school for 4 years they are set for life. Or at least they should be.
 
#420      

Joel Goodson

Joel Goodson
respect my decision™
Joel Goodson
SeattleSlim said:
You may begin to see new extremes (already seeing it with the money)… and that’s when the illusion many of us have enjoyed will cease.

When gambling, e.g., begins to exert its influence on players and outcomes … what would you expect? Real sport???
Click to expand...
Connie Hawkins says hello.

Operative word is "see."
 
#423      

IlliniLion

I
IlliniLion
I think Obanor is going to be staying down south. We can sell him playing time, but I just don't think we can compete.
 
#424      

thedrunkreferee

thedrunkreferee
thedrunkreferee
parks and recreation GIF
“Insiders” once again.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.