Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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ElGran said:
The whole complaining about ratings is ridiculous. There are tens of thousands of h.s. basketball players across the country. And a certain percentage are really good. I doubt the posters wondering why Epps is rated "only" 70 or whatever have seen the guys ranked above him. And if you're #70 in the country, that's pretty elite company.

The only player I've seen whose highlights leave my wondering why he's ranked "so low" is Dain Dianja. You watch his highlights and it's amazing the things he can do at 6'9 270. Yet out of H.S., I think he was ranked just barely inside the top 100. I suspect the answer is that you're seeing highlights. Which are very impressive, but may not show what he's doing the rest of the time. Which could be not playing defense or running the court.
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I've watched Dainja play two full games and on offense he looked way better than I expected.Good handles,good passer,scorer and athleticism for his size.Hopefully he's learning how to play defense right now since he's already practicing with the team.
 
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Old Dude said:
I've watched Dainja play two full games and on offense he looked way better than I expected.Good handles,good passer,scorer and athleticism for his size.Hopefully he's learning how to play defense right now since he's already practicing with the team.
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Where did you watch him play two full games? From what I understand he's hardly played since H.S. Looking at his highlight videos, his offensive skills are ridiculous.
 
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patiently awaiting the boom for Boswell.
 
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ElGran said:
The only player I've seen whose highlights leave my wondering why he's ranked "so low" is Dain Dianja. You watch his highlights and it's amazing the things he can do at 6'9 270. Yet out of H.S., I think he was ranked just barely inside the top 100.
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Btw Jaden Ivey was ranked 2 spots ahead of Dainja at 89.

Rankings are in chunks. Once you get past the top 25 or so, anything top 150 or so has a chance to make a huge impact. Lot of factors in play there, but it’s nearly impossible to differentiate as you get lower in rankings.
 
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DMWSuperFan said:
Btw Jaden Ivey was ranked 2 spots ahead of Dainja at 89.

Rankings are in chunks. Once you get past the top 25 or so, anything top 150 or so has a chance to make a huge impact. Lot of factors in play there, but it’s nearly impossible to differentiate as you get lower in rankings.
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That’s where you hope the coaching staff can identify whose raw skills have a chance to take it to the next level

It is hard because in high school recruits are the biggest fastest and best player on the floor. Hard to know what happens when you play against someone just as big and fast

BU and staff seem to have a good track record of identifying their first target and a good back up
 
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DMWSuperFan said:
Btw Jaden Ivey was ranked 2 spots ahead of Dainja at 89.

Rankings are in chunks. Once you get past the top 25 or so, anything top 150 or so has a chance to make a huge impact. Lot of factors in play there, but it’s nearly impossible to differentiate as you get lower in rankings.
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Sort of agree. Rankings are a rough indication - nothing more. It's not an exact science.

On average, you'd rather have the higher ranked guys, but it's no guarantee. We have no McDs AAs on our team and we're tied for first place. I believe Purdue and Wisconsin also have 0 Burger Boys and are tied with us. Then you've got Michigan with four of them and they may not even make the tournament.
 
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ElGran said:
Sort of agree. Rankings are a rough indication - nothing more. It's not an exact science.

On average, you'd rather have the higher ranked guys, but it's no guarantee. We have no McDs AAs on our team and we're tied for first place. I believe Purdue and Wisconsin also have 0 Burger Boys and are tied with us. Then you've got Michigan with four of them and they may not even make the tournament.
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Yeah, I mean, I would say that yes, higher rank has a greater chance to be good, but 90 vs 91 for example is a very minimal difference in chance and at that point you are looking more for fit/need. If you took the average career of each class, I’m sure it would be as expected - number 1 in the class having the best average career, then 2, 3 etc. not every class is created equal, not every person lives up to their rank, but yes, the average career is probably a pretty decent regression against rank, though I would still argue that after the cream of the crop, that curve flattens put quite a bit - which is to say that the average career difference between number 1 and numbed 20 is far wider than the difference between the careers of numbers 80 and 100. It’s just common sense. The lower ranks have more players competing for that spot, so harder to get it perfectly right. But yes, roughly correct.
 
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ElGran said:
Sort of agree. Rankings are a rough indication - nothing more. It's not an exact science.

On average, you'd rather have the higher ranked guys, but it's no guarantee. We have no McDs AAs on our team and we're tied for first place. I believe Purdue and Wisconsin also have 0 Burger Boys and are tied with us. Then you've got Michigan with four of them and they may not even make the tournament.
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Talk to me after the tournament.

That's what it's all about for me and that's what has me concerned about our prospects there. Time will tell. Like our chances, but I'd feel better if we had an all-American scorer on the wing. It would likely eliminate most of those droughts we have.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse said:
Yes, but I'm saying the guys in the top 150 probably have a lot of talent. That's more or less a given.
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Yeah - that’s kinda what I was alluding to earlier. Top 150 or so all have a pretty good chance at making an impact on a college team - character/fit and coaching/development play a role, though talent can overcome a lack of those in some cases
 
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BretMyBeachHouse said:
Talk to me after the tournament.

That's what it's all about for me and that's what has me concerned about our prospects there. Time will tell. Like our chances, but I'd feel better if we had an all-American scorer on the wing. It would likely eliminate most of those droughts we have.
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I totally agree. We have a nice team, but we're not going to blow out people based on overwhelming talent. We have to be hitting at a good % from outside and not making too many mistakes.

While I'd love to have multiple five stars, I'd be satisfied if Curbelo could round into top form by the time the NCAA Tournament begins. Let Trent concentrate mostly on defense on scoring and this team is capable or winning a few rounds.
 
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BretMyBeachHouse said:
Talk to me after the tournament.

That's what it's all about for me and that's what has me concerned about our prospects there. Time will tell. Like our chances, but I'd feel better if we had an all-American scorer on the wing. It would likely eliminate most of those droughts we have.
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Coaching/development, raw talent, work ethic. To be the best you gotta have all 3 at elite levels. Would say based on current results we have 2 out of 3, with the 3rd certainly making strides.
 
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