Michigan-Wisconsin Postgame Fight

[RedRocksIllini]

This is an incredibly bad decision.

Howard has gotten away with criminal behavior again.

I expect that he will use some sort of weapon (in addition to his hand) next time. And I expect that next time will be next season.

I think this should be the real concern here. We have a coach who has, on more than one occasion, demonstrated a violent temper and no ability to control himself. He has now shown he will happily act out his rage with physical actions. It has been clearly demonstrated that the "authority" (the school and the conference) not only condones but encourages this behavior which should only serve to embolden him. I fully expect him to continue to escalate and a very logical next step is taking up or bringing in a weapon. I don't see this ending well for anyone.

 

[doowink]

According to an article in The Athletic, Howard won’t be permitted at any team activities and won’t have access to campus facilities.

 

[2qtslow]

My understanding is that the B1G imposed Howard's fine and Michigan imposed the suspension. Was the suspension with or without pay? With pay is equivalent to a paid vacation.

 

[DewLou]

My understanding is that the B1G imposed Howard's fine and Michigan imposed the suspension. Was the suspension with or without pay? With pay is equivalent to a paid vacation.

Howard is worth $50M+ so I don't think the fine is a big deal.

 

[2qtslow]

Howard is worth $50M+ so I don't think the fine is a big deal.

Which is why I think a suspension without pay is important.

 

[illini55]

I’ll give it a year before a disgruntled player or two with an ambulance chaser lawyer tries to cash out a couple million dollar lawsuit vs UM claiming they were abused by JH.

Have you ever noticed how people hate lawyers until they need one themselves?

 

[drsmitty74]

Juwan Howard issues statement being suspended by Michigan
February 21, 2022
by Grey Papke
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Michigan coach Juwan Howard apologized Monday for his actions following his team’s loss to Wisconsin on Sunday.

In a statement released Monday evening, Howard said he was “truly sorry” for how he had behaved in a scuffle during the postgame handshakes. He also apologized to Wisconsin assistant Joe Krabbenhoft, as well as to his players and Michigan fans. Howard added that he had to set a better example for his athletes, that there were no excuses, and that “this mistake will never happen again.”


Took him long enough!!!!!!!!

Interesting, he apologizes to the ScUM fans, his ScUM players, ScUM families and the WI coach he B!^ch slapped, but, no apology to Gard, WI fans, players or anyone else.

Coward is a dirtbag.

 

[the juiceman cometh]

Which is why I think a suspension without pay is important.

I may be wrong, but I believe coaches get paid a regular salary, not on a per-game basis. If that's the case, then he's suspended for 2 weeks, essentially. 2 weeks' pay probably doesn't have much of an effect either. I'd hope it's without pay, but I honestly don't think even that would make a difference to Howard.

 

[STATS GUY]

Interesting, he apologizes to the ScUM fans, his ScUM players, ScUM families and the WI coach he B!^ch slapped, but, no apology to Gard, WI fans, players or anyone else.

Coward is a dirtbag.

Just shows the true character of the man! This all falls to the FAILED leadership of the Big Ten and Kevin Warren. You can not opine to 'setting the bar' in the Griffin incident then back off on haymakers thrown and connected (after the game in the handshake line). Do you believe in sportsmanship? Then punish those not performing! The Griffin incident is past us and everybody knew that the behavior should have been dealt with and was. NOT addressing this incident with the same conviction is a travesty!! KEVIN WARREN HAS TO GO!!

 

[Dan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496136704805249031

 

[EyeoftheIllini]

I thought Howard being suspended for rest of season was appropriate. Certainly could have seen the suspension stretching into the post season tourneys, but they got it mostly right.

The byproduct of all this that I don’t like and disagree with is people saying they should just get rid of the handshake line. BS. Because one or more morons can’t keep their composure, we’re going to change things so they don’t have to adjust their actions. What a joke. Ninety-nine percent of players/coaches or more can control their emotions and actions. How about getting rid of those who can’t rather than getting rid of the line. There are many more instances of good sportsmanship during the lines than of bad. I find it sad that people’s minds go to getting rid of the line rather than punishing those who can’t adhere to the basic tenets of good sportsmanship. Losing the line beautiful something like this makes me feel like we’ve lost.

Edit: looks like Werner or someone he is quoting agrees about handshake line.

 

[FlotownIllini]

The byproduct of all this that I don’t like and disagree with is people saying they should just get rid of the handshake line. BS. Because one or more morons can’t keep their composure, we’re going to change things so they don’t have to adjust their actions. What a joke. Ninety-nine percent of players/coaches or more can control their emotions and actions. How about getting rid of those who can’t rather than getting rid of the line. There are many more instances of good sportsmanship during the lines than of bad. I find it sad that people’s minds go to getting rid of the line rather than punishing those who can’t adhere to the basic tenets of good sportsmanship. Losing the line beautiful something like this makes me feel like we’ve lost.

Edit: looks like Werner or someone he is quoting agrees about handshake line.

Exactly. I mean, why stop at the handshake line? Violence has broken out during games themselves. Should we not just do away with competitive sport, altogether, lest the inherent dangers generated by the high emotions therein potentially lead to further outbreaks?

 

[EyeoftheIllini]

Exactly. I mean, why stop at the handshake line? Violence has broken out during games themselves. Should we not just do away with competitive sport, altogether, lest the inherent dangers generated by the high emotions therein potentially lead to further outbreaks?

Surprised we’re not seeing people advocating for a rule about how timeouts can be used at end of game when team has a double digit lead so people like Howard who can’t control themselves don’t have to deal with it.

 

[hodgesonfire]

If another school refused to play Michigan citing player safety concerns what would happen?

 

[phats22]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1496136704805249031

Coach gets it. i love this and wholeheartedly agree. this is sport, this is college and, irrespective of the NBA farm system many programs have become, most players aren't going pro. education, mentoring, life preparation- that's what it will be about for most of these kids-

"Life is competition. Sometimes the other team's got more points, so you shake their hand, they kicked your butt and you move on." Amen.

Contrast with Francon-
“I’ve said publicly before, the handshake line is not something I’m in favor of,” McCaffery said. “Not that I’m not in favor of sportsmanship, clearly I am. But I think it’s a recipe for a problem — it happens all the time."


There are few coaches more emotional and outspoken than BU during a game but he reels it in once the buzzer hits zero. my inference from many statements is he understands it is as much about what happens off the court (practice, prep, buy in, responsibility, etc) than on. what a great example to set for these young men; parents should flock to this guy if they care about their kids at all

 

[altgeld88]

Unfortunately, senior administrators will simply make and enforce rules that make their lives easier, even if it is corrosive or malignant to the game. A coach can't govern his behavior after his team got blown out on national TV? Well, eliminate the handshake line. Problem solved. Second-order and unseen costs to the game? Meh, who cares? My job won't get more difficult and won't require leadership.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Izzo's presser on the topic yesterday, particularly the first half and the portion concerning the handshake line beginning at 2:45. It's instructive, IMO. And there's a nice shout-out to TF and Trayce J-D. The Detroit Free Press article that contains the embedded video isn't paywalled:

Tom Izzo 'bothered' by Juwan Howard incident; 'reminded me of Malice in the Palace'

Tom Izzo: “When I watched it on a big screen and I saw people swinging, I saw the fans right behind them, it reminded me of the Malice in the Palace."

www.freep.com

 

[Whitewaterr]

“I’ve said publicly before, the handshake line is not something I’m in favor of,” McCaffery said. “Not that I’m not in favor of sportsmanship, clearly I am. But I think it’s a recipe for a problem — it happens all the time."

I've said publicly before, drinking before going to Red Lion is not something I'm in favor of. Not that I'm not in favor of having fun, clearly I am. But I think it's a recipe for a problem - it happens all the time.

Jk, live a little Franny. You won't regret it.

 

[Bacon Butkus Swanson]

Diabate, who connected on two punches, gets one game? What a joke.

What concerns me is our game will be Diabate's first game back. If things get chippy, I hope Kofi and the boys can keep their cool. The goons in Ann Arbor have nothing to lose and the Illini can lose quite a bit.

 

[GBIllini]

Some people are bringing up Howard's upbringing and where he grew up and how tough of an area it was. We have all grown up in different areas and situations. Some good and some very bad. Doesn't change the fact on what is considered mature adult acceptable behavior. We all know how we should interact with each other, enough excuses.

 

[CV Illini]

Unfortunately, senior administrators will simply make and enforce rules that make their lives easier, even if it is corrosive or malignant to the game. A coach can't govern his behavior after his team got blown out on national TV? Well, eliminate the handshake line. Problem solved. Second-order and unseen costs to the game? Meh, who cares? My job won't get more difficult and won't require leadership.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Izzo's presser on the topic yesterday, particularly the first half and the portion concerning the handshake line beginning at 2:45. It's instructive, IMO. And there's a nice shout-out to TF and Trayce J-D. The Detroit Free Press article that contains the embedded video isn't paywalled:

Tom Izzo 'bothered' by Juwan Howard incident; 'reminded me of Malice in the Palace'

Tom Izzo: “When I watched it on a big screen and I saw people swinging, I saw the fans right behind them, it reminded me of the Malice in the Palace."

www.freep.com

I'm not an Izzo fan but he nailed it in that 12 minute video. Really good watch!

 

[FloridaMan]

What concerns me is our game will be Diabate's first game back. If things get chippy, I hope Kofi and the boys can keep their cool. The goons in Ann Arbor have nothing to lose and the Illini can lose quite a bit.

Agree with you, BUT the Big10 has already set the penalty for swinging on other teams at one game so our guys would simply miss the Penn St game at home. Anything more would be inconsistent.

 

[BlabDunkAnd1]

Agree with BU. We don't need to get rid of the handshake line, we need to get rid of the people who can't shake hands after a game. They are the ones who are putting themselves above the game and above their team. If you can't respect the game, then you shouldn't be in it. If you can't respect your opponent, then you don't deserve to compete against one.

 

[RedRocksIllini]

Agree with you, BUT the Big10 has already set the penalty for swinging on other teams at one game so our guys would simply miss the Penn St game at home. Anything more would be inconsistent.

I guess if the Big Ten wants Slap Shot-style basketball, we might as well get ahead of things and offer a PWO to Ogie Ogilthorpe.

 

[Calvin]

the NCAA is criminal as heck and a total joke

Don't expect the conferences to be much better. They're both there to maximize the business side of things. The conferences might be a little better in how they respond to their fanbase, but overall they have similar problems and incentives.

I think the message here is that UM gets a pass/slap on the wrist. The league's not pressuring them to fire him or take any players out for any length of time. If he gets back on the winning track, I expect all is forgiven. If not, this puts more pressure on him. Should all blow over soon enough.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

 

[pruman91]

Unfortunately, senior administrators will simply make and enforce rules that make their lives easier, even if it is corrosive or malignant to the game. A coach can't govern his behavior after his team got blown out on national TV? Well, eliminate the handshake line. Problem solved. Second-order and unseen costs to the game? Meh, who cares? My job won't get more difficult and won't require leadership.

If you haven't seen it, I recommend watching Izzo's presser on the topic yesterday, particularly the first half and the portion concerning the handshake line beginning at 2:45. It's instructive, IMO. And there's a nice shout-out to TF and Trayce J-D. The Detroit Free Press article that contains the embedded video isn't paywalled:

Tom Izzo 'bothered' by Juwan Howard incident; 'reminded me of Malice in the Palace'

Tom Izzo: “When I watched it on a big screen and I saw people swinging, I saw the fans right behind them, it reminded me of the Malice in the Palace."

www.freep.com

I want to bring up something that has bothered me in this video replay .................if you look at @ 46 seconds in is where nut puncher comes into screen and looks directly at the camera and then starts his singing sonota phrases , knowing full well he is now the center of attention ....the dude has a bad heart and i will be so glad when he is gone ........................nothing he did approached the cowardice of Mr. Coward , but it showed nut puncher is an attention wh**e and it's all about him.......

JMHO