Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
Someone may have already made this observation. Sorry, if so. Have had little time to keep up with the threads this week.

In BU's Bret Behrens video (6:55 PM · Apr 27, 2022; link below) Brad notes the malignant effect that the transfer portal has on his job: "It's not easy, it's not fun, it's miserable"

It strikes me that he has a much greater challenge than pro coaches. Pros have fixed-term contracts, which vary in term depending on player talent, with free agency options at some point. However, there's a base, fixed term during which they're obligated to play for the team. This enables the coach and GM to build and develop a team within a multi-year period.

The NCAA transfer portal affords every player a one-year contract comprising both a free-agency option and an option to remain on the team at its conclusion. That's a more valuable contract on a talent-adjusted basis than pros get.

As @sacraig, among perhaps others whose comments I missed while scanning previous threads, noted, this is unsustainable. As much as I'm thrilled that players are finally able to monetize their talent during college beyond the value of tuition, room and board to the extent the market will reward them, it tilts the balance of power in favor of those both talented and of sound judgment when it comes to moving between programs. That may be a small Venn diagram overlap area, but it's significant. At the margin it's the most marketable players who make or break a team. I sympathize with the madness it must induce in coaches.

 
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Major tech firms started making offers to software undergrads in the late 90's trying to get them to forgo finishing their degrees and start working immediately. Not many students took them up on offer because they knew what they would learn in school had greater value and along with diploma.

NIL is not really different then player going to basketball academies in HS then pursuing the one and done path in college. It is just getting them money earlier so I am not opposed to it. It probably only affects the top 100-200(?) Div players in college.

Since the NCAA has too many divergent factions - blue bloods vs power 5 vs mid majors vs. small div1 they can't come up with system that works for everybody. I suspect just like football some smaller group (maybe power 5 maybe super conference) will stay with mega payments wild wild west and the remaining schools will go back to limited NIL / stipend type system with kids able to jump to super conference if they rate.

This does not prevent the NCAA from hosting a 68 team March championship tournament including everyone.

Change is happenning fast in 2022 - Covid/remote work, Russia status as great power/cold war, electric cars/online sales, ticktock vs FB, amazon peaking, double digit inflation. College basketball NIL transfer portal is small potatoes but very entertaining.

Go get them Brad !
 
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IMO, .... and I have been an Illini fan for 50 years (you have my demographic)
NIL & the Transfer Portal has changed the game & it won't ever go back - I'm still a passionate Illini fan

These kids are talented and hard working young men (18+ years old) that have a talent to market for the greatest value. Sure they have to calculate the long term value of their short term talent (sports). The factors are the value of an education, the value of short term $$, and the value of the potential for long term big $$$$, ..... I just hope their parents and the universities will provide them with the facts to help them make good decisions.

With all that said I believe or Illini future is bright.

We have a great school
We have great booster with some $$
We have a great reputation in a great conference
We have great coach and great players right now

Now "for crying sake" let's gets an experienced PG & big that want to come here from the Portal
 
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Playing for the name in the front is what allowed student athletes to be profited off of while getting little in return for decades. That system is gone, and that’s okay. Can’t hate on kids for looking out for their best interest, that what the pros would do too.
And that is why I stopped watching NBA basketball about ten years ago. I've got better things to do than watch self-centered rich guys play for one team one year and another team the next year and not really care about their teammates, their fans and whether the team wins or not (unless they play for one of the two or three true NBA championship contenders).
 
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so there isn't even a pretext anymore that NIL isn't just blatant pay-to-play?

RIP Mid-Majors Forever. I don't even know if Gonzaga will be able to keep up with the big boys (tiny school, small alumni base, etc.) anymore
Players should be fairly compensated. It's not their fault that Gonzaga benefitted from a predatory system and I don't think the sport will be worse off for not having their champion reside 4+ hours from a major market.

Illinois has lost countless recruitments due to under the table $$ and is on board with offering recruits NIL $. If IL ponying up on NIL ends up being a competitive advantage...I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
 
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Just spit-balling here...If a couple of transfers announce a commitment to Illinois today, a current player who is worried about playing time still has until Sunday to enter their name into the portal (and have immediate eligibility). However, if the transfers announce after Sunday, current players can still transfer, but they would have to get a waiver to play immediately. Any chance this is the reason we haven't seen any movement yet?
 
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Players should be fairly compensated. It's not their fault that Gonzaga benefitted from a predatory system and I don't think the sport will be worse off for not having their champion reside 4+ hours from a major market.

Illinois has lost countless recruitments due to under the table $$ and is on board with offering recruits NIL $. If IL ponying up on NIL ends up being a competitive advantage...I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
I know the NCAA is considered "evil" and all, but who knows what is right and just. Remember when the NCAA started none of this was predatory. Athletic scholarships to cover tuition along with room and board, for playing a sport, seems fair to me. There weren't billion dollar TV deals for College Football and March Madness.. that stuff came later and the old way no longer made sense. Giving players a share of the cut seems fair to me.. but like this? Legalized bagman like Ruiz just engaging in a blatant pay-to-play? It's all very dirty. I would prefer if the players be allowed to unionize and collectively bargain as a unit to bring some semblance and order to the whole mess. Players should be allowed compensation, but the way it's going about it needs to change. This situation with Wong and Miami feels like a straw that breaks the camel's back for a need for some common-sense reform to work something out that is fair to the players but not the wild wild west.

Who are Illinois's biggest bagmen anyways? I'm happy to contribute what I can for the Illini Basketball cause, but would prefer to not be engaging in these Ruiz-like shenanigans and players holding teams hostage and the like.
 
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Just spit-balling here...If a couple of transfers announce a commitment to Illinois today, a current player who is worried about playing time still has until Sunday to enter their name into the portal (and have immediate eligibility). However, if the transfers announce after Sunday, current players can still transfer, but they would have to get a waiver to play immediately. Any chance this is the reason we haven't seen any movement yet?
We've only got 3 guys left that played meaningful minutes. We've only brought in 4 Fr and 1 transfer, meaning we've only currently got 9 scholarship players, only 2 of them post players that have any chance to see the floor. There are plenty of minutes available. If you're leaving because of opportunity, you are no competitor and no one I want on my team.
 
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Dee_4_Three_83

Mahomet, IL
I know the NCAA is considered "evil" and all, but who knows what is right and just. Remember when the NCAA started none of this was predatory. Athletic scholarships to cover tuition along with room and board, for playing a sport, seems fair to me. There weren't billion dollar TV deals for College Football and March Madness.. that stuff came later and the old way no longer made sense. Giving players a share of the cut seems fair to me.. but like this? Legalized bagman like Ruiz just engaging in a blatant pay-to-play? It's all very dirty. I would prefer if the players be allowed to unionize and collectively bargain as a unit to bring some semblance and order to the whole mess. Players should be allowed compensation, but the way it's going about it needs to change. This situation with Wong and Miami feels like a straw that breaks the camel's back for a need for some common-sense reform to work something out that is fair to the players but not the wild wild west.

Who are Illinois's biggest bagmen anyways? I'm happy to contribute what I can for the Illini Basketball cause, but would prefer to not be engaging in these Ruiz-like shenanigans and players holding teams hostage and the like.
Hasn't this always been the case? Now it's just out in the open. I agree their needs to be regulation, but I don't see how any of this works out for schools with smaller Alumni pots. It's always favored blue bloods and it always will.
 
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I'm agree with coach Underwood, the whole transfer portal and NIL thing is making college basketball a cluster. Hopefully, after the dust settles after this crazy year, some limits and reasonable rules dialing back the madness can be put in place. Collage players leaving because they want their NIL increased, kids making $400K and being unhappy, driving new luxury vehicles, is tough to wrap my head around. I hope this doesn't go on to ruin the college game but I'm not optimistic. All that being said, I'm not against change and come type of compensation should have been enacted by the NCAA years ago. They chose to fight it and now it's a monster they cannot control.
The NCAA needs to change with the times or die with them. Underwood can leave Illinois when/if he wants to make more money. The players need to have that same luxury. It might keep them in college longer which helps the quality of the game.
 
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We've only got 3 guys left that played meaningful minutes. We've only brought in 4 Fr and 1 transfer, meaning we've only currently got 9 scholarship players, only 2 of them post players that have any chance to see the floor. There are plenty of minutes available. If you're leaving because of opportunity, you are no competitor and no one I want on my team.
I agree with everything but the competitor part. I think it would be foolish of Coleman (or RJ) to leave because there are plenty of minutes at the 4/5 spots. Right now it's Dain and Coleman, maybe Goode plays a few spot minutes at the 4(see him as a 3) but not much. If Nance comes in, there are 80 minutes to split between Coleman, Dain and Nance. No shortage of time.
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
What about the same gifs posted over and over again as though they are somehow still funny or clever?
As a cranky man of advancing middle age, I completely get you; however, they're a kind of language, and efficient shortcuts at that. Very useful, IMO. And many of them make me chuckle even having seen (and used) them hundreds of times. Frankly, our threads would be dry and dull w/o them. Go read those of our competitor schools whose sites lack the functionality to insert these.
 
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