NIL Thread (Name, Image, Likeness Rule)

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IllinoisssssssVarsity

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Bucktown said:
There is something called an O-1 visa for individuals with an extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business, or athletics. Maybe these Division 1 athletes can go that route? I have no idea how hard it is to get those. I am sure that is how the NBA foreign athletes get to work, but I guess it is a question of the definition of extraordinary.
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From an objective standpoint, there are 350 d1 schools with 13 scholarships, so 4550 total scholarships to give.

Of the 4550 total D1 basketball players, there 663 international players, or about 14.5% of all D1 players.

If that number isn’t exclusive enough, remember that technically anybody in the world could apply for that, so now you have 663 out of a pool of 7B, or .009%.

I would objectively argue that being in a group that exclusive would define extraordinary ability. But then again, I’m not government red tape.

Obviously, selfishly, I want the best players from anywhere, pay them up, and let’s win some Nattys.
 
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EyeoftheIllini

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So do we have a real read on what players are making with NIL. I have a friend who says a recruit ranked #50 in basketball is probably looking at $250k per year. Is that correct? I know there are likely players getting that much and more, but not in the numbers some keep throwing out there.
 
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illini80

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EyeoftheIllini said:
So do we have a real read on what players are making with NIL. I have a friend who says a recruit ranked #50 in basketball is probably looking at $250k per year. Is that correct? I know there are likely players getting that much and more, but not in the numbers some keep throwing out there.
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Nope. And I doubt we ever will under the current rules. Unless a player or their sponsor(s) want to reveal how much they are making. Of course there will be a few that will come out, but to get a real read on what 500k college athletes are making is nearly impossible. All that said, $250k doesn’t seem out the realm of what’s possible for the right player at the right school.
 
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EyeoftheIllini

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illini80 said:
Nope. And I doubt we ever will under the current rules. Unless a player or their sponsor(s) want to reveal how much they are making. Of course there will be a few that will come out, but to get a real read on what 500k college athletes are making is nearly impossible. All that said, $250k doesn’t seem out the realm of what’s possible for the right player at the right school.
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Thanks for the reply. This came up with talking to a DePaul fan with the recent decommitment from its bball team. He said with the kid being top 50 player (247 ranking, composite is lower) that he’s probably gonna get 250k somewhere else. I know it’s possible but I just don’t think so. Like you said, I’m sure some recruits might get that with right situation, but I don’t think it is as simple as that with all recruits as if there is a “scale.” Was just curious if I was off base or not.
 
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theNewGuy

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Just scrolling through the weekend thread and I have a few opinions.

1. A scholarship is not enough compensation to play a sport in college for some athletes. I think there can be a system in place where there is a set % of revenue and each team receives money based on their ratings. The teams can then split that money up equally or my preference would be by playing time. Players can then make money through endorsements and other income streams.
College athletes provide way too much revenue and put in way too much effort to just be on scholarship. There is a also a ton of risk to playing a sport, which you could argue is offset by getting a degree but I digress.

2. Unlimited transfers should have always been the standard. In basically any other sport you can transfer to a school and play right away. Why SHOULD basketball or football be any different. These are kids that have to make a huge decision and they shouldn't be punished for wanting to change that regardless of the reason. If I want to transfer to a school to be closer to home, why be punished? If I want to transfer because I don't gel with the staff or fit their scheme, why be punished? If I don't get along with another player, why be punished? If I want to go to a better school with better national coverage, why be punished? If multiple of these situations happen at multiple schools, why be punished? Why does anyone have the right to know my reasons or punish me for them?
Athletes are the one's putting their body on the line and I think they have the right to make decisions for themselves without having to appeal to a committee.

I'm all for player empowerment because in no way shape or form should the NCAA and these schools bring in Billions of dollars while these athletes are just given a nice pat on the back and piece of paper...

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ChiefGritty

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I say this both sarcastically and unsarcastically: Juwan Howard knows what he's talking about in terms of player compensation.

We are in a competitive landscape in terms of, let's not mince words, paying players to induce them to come to Illinois.

Michigan will do fine in that regard. But there's boring administrative stuff that needs to happen to get it right, and if they're behind the 8 ball momentarily, time for us to pounce.
 
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ChiefGritty said:
I say this both sarcastically and unsarcastically: Juwan Howard knows what he's talking about in terms of player compensation.

We are in a competitive landscape in terms of, let's not mince words, paying players to induce them to come to Illinois.

Michigan will do fine in that regard. But there's boring administrative stuff that needs to happen to get it right, and if they're behind the 8 ball momentarily, time for us to pounce.
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I love that we are ahead of meechigan when it comes to player compensation. Their administration is probably thinking, 'hey, we're Michigan, we don't need NIL to get recruits".
 
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ChiefGritty

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Scoregasm said:
I love that we are ahead of meechigan when it comes to player compensation. Their administration is probably thinking, 'hey, we're Michigan, we don't need NIL to get recruits".
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It is great to see the trouble they're having, but I think Howard is going to run into a second problem, which is the same one I think Bret Bielema is probably experiencing.

Proper and thoughtful coordination with the school itself is important for these NIL collectives, but they're ultimately just amalgamations of fans and their interests and their dollars. And resources are finite.

When it comes down to choosing between the extra marginal dollar for the big basketball player versus the big football player, the fanbases of both Michigan and Illinois are very clear in terms of which side they will come down on.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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Scoregasm said:
I love that we are ahead of meechigan when it comes to player compensation. Their administration is probably thinking, 'hey, we're Michigan, we don't need NIL to get recruits".
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They're used to just paying them under the table. Howard knows that all too well. Operating in the sunlight isn't something they're accustomed to.
 
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