I was at this game, that was so much fun - and the place was rocking.
Pregame: Illinois vs Indiana, Thursday, January 19th, 7:30pm CT, FS1
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I was at this game, that was so much fun - and the place was rocking.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Really? I think you're the first Illini fan I have EVER heard say that ... I don't know if it's the shared animosity of Indiana or the fact that Purdue has a relatively small/"refined" fan base (i.e., fewer numbskulls on social media like a Michigan, lol), but I just find Purdue SO hard to "hate," haha. Historically, when you look at the entire history of the program, it is hard not to say Indiana is the "biggest rival" ... however, I think you can make a case for a couple, depending on where you live and your age:
Indiana: Incredibly close series between the flagship schools of two bordering basketball nations. Forget the Henson/Knigh feuds or Eric Gordon; there really is a feel during this game sometimes that it's our two great and storied basketball STATES going up against each other.
Iowa: I cannot imagine how much I would have hated Iowa had I been of age during the Bruce Pearl saga and we had some recent bad blood during the Ayo years, so I genuinely get the "hate Iowa above all else" crowd. Additionally, Iowa fans really do have a strange animosity toward Illinois as an entity - from the school to the state to the team - in a way that they don't toward other rivals that they might even hate MORE like Wisconsin. It's hard to explain, but I lived in Iowa City for a long time; it's a weird combination of being intimidated by the Illini and having a bit of a Napoleon Complex while also completely disparaging us and showing us no respect. It's bizarre and bitter, but I'll say that most Iowa fans are incredibly nice/chill compared to a fan base like Michigan or Indiana or Ohio State if you can get past this initial rivalry hatred, haha. However, Iowa has rarely been good WHILE Illinois was also good during my lifetime ... pretty much only since 2019-20. So, at times the rivalry has seemed dead to me.
Michigan: I assume this stems from the 1989 loss and general Big-Ten-wide loathing of the Wolverines, along with some recent bad blood about their COVID pause abuse and Dickinson running his mouth, but count me out on this one. Michigan's focus has always been SO skewed toward football, and they have other rivalries that they would always prioritize in Michigan State and Ohio State.
Michigan State: This one is weird for me, because it was so artificially friendly during the Weber years, and then we sucked so it didn't matter. During our ascension, MSU has been down compared to their normal selves. Other than the cheap shot on Ayo, this one seems like a generic series against a good program.
Northwestern: Really all this one has going for it is that NU is the only fan base where 90%+ of their fans would name us as their biggest rival ... so it would at least be reciprocal. However, they have been so historically bad while we have been pretty good that the animosity is just so low. Even at its height during the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" crap, it just never picked up that much steam. However, I have no problem calling them a rival (I think gatekeeping that term is the height of cringe, personally) in the way that Tennessee is a "rival" with Vanderbilt and Georgia is a "rival" with Georgia Tech. Both programs throw a bone to their (private school) little brother instate, even if their fans care more about other rivalries.
Purdue: Again, for me, this one is just lacking. Both fan bases, by and large, absolutely hate Indiana and there has just been a surprising lack of bad blood over the years. Additionally, of all of the teams on this list INCLUDING Northwestern, I have had the most chill/non-confrontational interactions with Purdue fans both online and in person.
Wisconsin: This REALLY should be a bigger rivalry in every sport to mirror a Bears/Packers dynamic ... but it just has never been. A likely reason is that Wisconsin historically sucked at everything and got good at football right as we slid into the dark ages. Maybe this one will pick up with BB at the helm for us and spill over into hoops?
Missouri: Personally, I am a sucker for non-conference, out-of-state rivalries where the two rivals have absolutely nothing to bond over. Indiana and Purdue "hate each other," but they're both so far up their a$$ about the state of Indiana's basketball lore that they have a lot in common there. Florida and Georgia "hate each other," but they'll both start a cringe "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant with the best of them. When we suit up against Mizzou in that epic atmosphere in St. Louis, I feel nothing but hate, contempt and a burning desire to start the Christmas season with BRAGGIN' RIGHTS. I understand this one is way bigger for folks in the St. Louis area and Southern Illinois, but honestly the lengthy history and unique setup puts it at #1 for me.
With all that said ... every time we actually suit up against the Loosiers, I find myself ranking them #1 on our rivals list yet again, as I absolutely hate them and their deranged fans.
Let's pummel them!Big Jack
- Decatur
If this was the concert in like 93-94 and was on the round stage. It was one of the best concerts I have been to..I was in like the 3rd row and was deaf for a couple of days after it.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Rose Hulman?
At $54k tuition (vs. $10k for Purdue). Good, but not $54k good, and not as good as their grads think they are.
I'll play. For me, it's the following (and why):Really? I think you're the first Illini fan I have EVER heard say that ... I don't know if it's the shared animosity of Indiana or the fact that Purdue has a relatively small/"refined" fan base (i.e., fewer numbskulls on social media like a Michigan, lol), but I just find Purdue SO hard to "hate," haha. Historically, when you look at the entire history of the program, it is hard not to say Indiana is the "biggest rival" ... however, I think you can make a case for a couple, depending on where you live and your age:
Indiana: Incredibly close series between the flagship schools of two bordering basketball nations. Forget the Henson/Knigh feuds or Eric Gordon; there really is a feel during this game sometimes that it's our two great and storied basketball STATES going up against each other.
Iowa: I cannot imagine how much I would have hated Iowa had I been of age during the Bruce Pearl saga and we had some recent bad blood during the Ayo years, so I genuinely get the "hate Iowa above all else" crowd. Additionally, Iowa fans really do have a strange animosity toward Illinois as an entity - from the school to the state to the team - in a way that they don't toward other rivals that they might even hate MORE like Wisconsin. It's hard to explain, but I lived in Iowa City for a long time; it's a weird combination of being intimidated by the Illini and having a bit of a Napoleon Complex while also completely disparaging us and showing us no respect. It's bizarre and bitter, but I'll say that most Iowa fans are incredibly nice/chill compared to a fan base like Michigan or Indiana or Ohio State if you can get past this initial rivalry hatred, haha. However, Iowa has rarely been good WHILE Illinois was also good during my lifetime ... pretty much only since 2019-20. So, at times the rivalry has seemed dead to me.
Michigan: I assume this stems from the 1989 loss and general Big-Ten-wide loathing of the Wolverines, along with some recent bad blood about their COVID pause abuse and Dickinson running his mouth, but count me out on this one. Michigan's focus has always been SO skewed toward football, and they have other rivalries that they would always prioritize in Michigan State and Ohio State.
Michigan State: This one is weird for me, because it was so artificially friendly during the Weber years, and then we sucked so it didn't matter. During our ascension, MSU has been down compared to their normal selves. Other than the cheap shot on Ayo, this one seems like a generic series against a good program.
Northwestern: Really all this one has going for it is that NU is the only fan base where 90%+ of their fans would name us as their biggest rival ... so it would at least be reciprocal. However, they have been so historically bad while we have been pretty good that the animosity is just so low. Even at its height during the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" crap, it just never picked up that much steam. However, I have no problem calling them a rival (I think gatekeeping that term is the height of cringe, personally) in the way that Tennessee is a "rival" with Vanderbilt and Georgia is a "rival" with Georgia Tech. Both programs throw a bone to their (private school) little brother instate, even if their fans care more about other rivalries.
Purdue: Again, for me, this one is just lacking. Both fan bases, by and large, absolutely hate Indiana and there has just been a surprising lack of bad blood over the years. Additionally, of all of the teams on this list INCLUDING Northwestern, I have had the most chill/non-confrontational interactions with Purdue fans both online and in person.
Wisconsin: This REALLY should be a bigger rivalry in every sport to mirror a Bears/Packers dynamic ... but it just has never been. A likely reason is that Wisconsin historically sucked at everything and got good at football right as we slid into the dark ages. Maybe this one will pick up with BB at the helm for us and spill over into hoops?
Missouri: Personally, I am a sucker for non-conference, out-of-state rivalries where the two rivals have absolutely nothing to bond over. Indiana and Purdue "hate each other," but they're both so far up their a$$ about the state of Indiana's basketball lore that they have a lot in common there. Florida and Georgia "hate each other," but they'll both start a cringe "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant with the best of them. When we suit up against Mizzou in that epic atmosphere in St. Louis, I feel nothing but hate, contempt and a burning desire to start the Christmas season with BRAGGIN' RIGHTS. I understand this one is way bigger for folks in the St. Louis area and Southern Illinois, but honestly the lengthy history and unique setup puts it at #1 for me.
With all that said ... every time we actually suit up against the Loosiers, I find myself ranking them #1 on our rivals list yet again, as I absolutely hate them and their deranged fans.
Purdue: I started following shortly before Brian Cardinal went there and crushed my spirit twice a year.
Michigan State: Mateen Cleaves. I disliked him very much. Mostly because he looked like a short version of the Hootie and the Blowfish singer (Darius Rucker).
Indiana: I actually kind of felt sorry for them. I'll never forget the Ted Valentine/Bobby Knight game. But then they hired Kelvin.
Michigan: Because. Michigan.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
I recall in high school receiving recruiting literature from Rose Hulman. At the time it was still all-male, apparently (or had a de minimus female student population.) One the marketing points they made (I kid you not) was the proximity to campus of the Blue Flame Cooking School. And not, one assumes, for the food.
I still chuckle about that every time I hear "Rose Hulman" or "Terre Haute." Which isn't often, mind you.
Way off topic, but whoever brought up Purdue started it. Might have been me
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
I guess for older age groups you would be indicating anybody over the age of 30. I was a Freshman when the Eric Gordon saga took place in 2006 (he pulled his commitment stunt in my third month on campus), and it etched the permanency of my hatred toward IU basketball. I remember reading the Daily Illini and seeing the rage in the editorials. I was too young for the Bob Knight era, so my loathing did not begin until 2006. The Eric Gordon games in Champaign reflected that utter disdain of the students and fans towards IU, and more specifically Eric Gordon.
Purdue is definitely a rivalry, but it nowhere matches the utter contempt that a majority of Illini fans have for anything IU basketball related. JMO.
I think I am missing a few synonyms for how I feel about IU basketball...
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sacraig
- The desert
Rose Hulman?
It's really tough to compare since one is an undergrad-centric university and the other is much more heavily research-based.
But the important thing is that IU doesn't even have an engineering program, so are they even a real university?
sacraig
- The desert
I'm mostly with you. I really hate Purdue academically, but athletically I have no ill will toward them.Really? I think you're the first Illini fan I have EVER heard say that ... I don't know if it's the shared animosity of Indiana or the fact that Purdue has a relatively small/"refined" fan base (i.e., fewer numbskulls on social media like a Michigan, lol), but I just find Purdue SO hard to "hate," haha. Historically, when you look at the entire history of the program, it is hard not to say Indiana is the "biggest rival" ... however, I think you can make a case for a couple, depending on where you live and your age:
Indiana: Incredibly close series between the flagship schools of two bordering basketball nations. Forget the Henson/Knigh feuds or Eric Gordon; there really is a feel during this game sometimes that it's our two great and storied basketball STATES going up against each other.
Iowa: I cannot imagine how much I would have hated Iowa had I been of age during the Bruce Pearl saga and we had some recent bad blood during the Ayo years, so I genuinely get the "hate Iowa above all else" crowd. Additionally, Iowa fans really do have a strange animosity toward Illinois as an entity - from the school to the state to the team - in a way that they don't toward other rivals that they might even hate MORE like Wisconsin. It's hard to explain, but I lived in Iowa City for a long time; it's a weird combination of being intimidated by the Illini and having a bit of a Napoleon Complex while also completely disparaging us and showing us no respect. It's bizarre and bitter, but I'll say that most Iowa fans are incredibly nice/chill compared to a fan base like Michigan or Indiana or Ohio State if you can get past this initial rivalry hatred, haha. However, Iowa has rarely been good WHILE Illinois was also good during my lifetime ... pretty much only since 2019-20. So, at times the rivalry has seemed dead to me.
Michigan: I assume this stems from the 1989 loss and general Big-Ten-wide loathing of the Wolverines, along with some recent bad blood about their COVID pause abuse and Dickinson running his mouth, but count me out on this one. Michigan's focus has always been SO skewed toward football, and they have other rivalries that they would always prioritize in Michigan State and Ohio State.
Michigan State: This one is weird for me, because it was so artificially friendly during the Weber years, and then we sucked so it didn't matter. During our ascension, MSU has been down compared to their normal selves. Other than the cheap shot on Ayo, this one seems like a generic series against a good program.
Northwestern: Really all this one has going for it is that NU is the only fan base where 90%+ of their fans would name us as their biggest rival ... so it would at least be reciprocal. However, they have been so historically bad while we have been pretty good that the animosity is just so low. Even at its height during the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" crap, it just never picked up that much steam. However, I have no problem calling them a rival (I think gatekeeping that term is the height of cringe, personally) in the way that Tennessee is a "rival" with Vanderbilt and Georgia is a "rival" with Georgia Tech. Both programs throw a bone to their (private school) little brother instate, even if their fans care more about other rivalries.
Purdue: Again, for me, this one is just lacking. Both fan bases, by and large, absolutely hate Indiana and there has just been a surprising lack of bad blood over the years. Additionally, of all of the teams on this list INCLUDING Northwestern, I have had the most chill/non-confrontational interactions with Purdue fans both online and in person.
Wisconsin: This REALLY should be a bigger rivalry in every sport to mirror a Bears/Packers dynamic ... but it just has never been. A likely reason is that Wisconsin historically sucked at everything and got good at football right as we slid into the dark ages. Maybe this one will pick up with BB at the helm for us and spill over into hoops?
Missouri: Personally, I am a sucker for non-conference, out-of-state rivalries where the two rivals have absolutely nothing to bond over. Indiana and Purdue "hate each other," but they're both so far up their a$$ about the state of Indiana's basketball lore that they have a lot in common there. Florida and Georgia "hate each other," but they'll both start a cringe "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant with the best of them. When we suit up against Mizzou in that epic atmosphere in St. Louis, I feel nothing but hate, contempt and a burning desire to start the Christmas season with BRAGGIN' RIGHTS. I understand this one is way bigger for folks in the St. Louis area and Southern Illinois, but honestly the lengthy history and unique setup puts it at #1 for me.
With all that said ... every time we actually suit up against the Loosiers, I find myself ranking them #1 on our rivals list yet again, as I absolutely hate them and their deranged fans.
The Michigan State "rivalry" is really all about the recent spate of their players clobbering our star players and nothing else. Prior to that the fanbases largely got along and rooted for each other. Example: 2005 Final Four.
sacraig
- The desert
They were also overrated preseason. Many national writers, I think, just looked at the seasoned veterans they had (like TJD) and the class they had coming in and said "Wow!" But they didn't consider that the same group of vets had only a series of middling finishes in the B1G to their credit.
I don't think IU was ever going to be as good as a number of pundits acted but they've definitely underperformed relative to their real potential due to things like injuries to key players.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
I was definitely thinking IUPUI.
Joel Goodson
- respect my decision™
Yeah, particularly if Lieb can hold his own in spot minutes. The Minny game was huge on that front. Then again, a lot of it is up to Perrin. If he starts abusing guys in practice, I'd play him. FWLIW, am thinking he's not going to stick around for 4 seasons.
I was at the game when Illinois beat #1 MSU with Magic. Eddie Johnson hit a sideline jumper and the place went crazy. It was a huge snowstorm, and we drove 75 miles to get there. 4 wheel drive saved us. The beer was very cold in the back of the truck. One of my favorite memories of Illini sports.
Really? I think you're the first Illini fan I have EVER heard say that ... I don't know if it's the shared animosity of Indiana or the fact that Purdue has a relatively small/"refined" fan base (i.e., fewer numbskulls on social media like a Michigan, lol), but I just find Purdue SO hard to "hate," haha. Historically, when you look at the entire history of the program, it is hard not to say Indiana is the "biggest rival" ... however, I think you can make a case for a couple, depending on where you live and your age:
Indiana: Incredibly close series between the flagship schools of two bordering basketball nations. Forget the Henson/Knigh feuds or Eric Gordon; there really is a feel during this game sometimes that it's our two great and storied basketball STATES going up against each other.
Iowa: I cannot imagine how much I would have hated Iowa had I been of age during the Bruce Pearl saga and we had some recent bad blood during the Ayo years, so I genuinely get the "hate Iowa above all else" crowd. Additionally, Iowa fans really do have a strange animosity toward Illinois as an entity - from the school to the state to the team - in a way that they don't toward other rivals that they might even hate MORE like Wisconsin. It's hard to explain, but I lived in Iowa City for a long time; it's a weird combination of being intimidated by the Illini and having a bit of a Napoleon Complex while also completely disparaging us and showing us no respect. It's bizarre and bitter, but I'll say that most Iowa fans are incredibly nice/chill compared to a fan base like Michigan or Indiana or Ohio State if you can get past this initial rivalry hatred, haha. However, Iowa has rarely been good WHILE Illinois was also good during my lifetime ... pretty much only since 2019-20. So, at times the rivalry has seemed dead to me.
Michigan: I assume this stems from the 1989 loss and general Big-Ten-wide loathing of the Wolverines, along with some recent bad blood about their COVID pause abuse and Dickinson running his mouth, but count me out on this one. Michigan's focus has always been SO skewed toward football, and they have other rivalries that they would always prioritize in Michigan State and Ohio State.
Michigan State: This one is weird for me, because it was so artificially friendly during the Weber years, and then we sucked so it didn't matter. During our ascension, MSU has been down compared to their normal selves. Other than the cheap shot on Ayo, this one seems like a generic series against a good program.
Northwestern: Really all this one has going for it is that NU is the only fan base where 90%+ of their fans would name us as their biggest rival ... so it would at least be reciprocal. However, they have been so historically bad while we have been pretty good that the animosity is just so low. Even at its height during the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" crap, it just never picked up that much steam. However, I have no problem calling them a rival (I think gatekeeping that term is the height of cringe, personally) in the way that Tennessee is a "rival" with Vanderbilt and Georgia is a "rival" with Georgia Tech. Both programs throw a bone to their (private school) little brother instate, even if their fans care more about other rivalries.
Purdue: Again, for me, this one is just lacking. Both fan bases, by and large, absolutely hate Indiana and there has just been a surprising lack of bad blood over the years. Additionally, of all of the teams on this list INCLUDING Northwestern, I have had the most chill/non-confrontational interactions with Purdue fans both online and in person.
Wisconsin: This REALLY should be a bigger rivalry in every sport to mirror a Bears/Packers dynamic ... but it just has never been. A likely reason is that Wisconsin historically sucked at everything and got good at football right as we slid into the dark ages. Maybe this one will pick up with BB at the helm for us and spill over into hoops?
Missouri: Personally, I am a sucker for non-conference, out-of-state rivalries where the two rivals have absolutely nothing to bond over. Indiana and Purdue "hate each other," but they're both so far up their a$$ about the state of Indiana's basketball lore that they have a lot in common there. Florida and Georgia "hate each other," but they'll both start a cringe "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant with the best of them. When we suit up against Mizzou in that epic atmosphere in St. Louis, I feel nothing but hate, contempt and a burning desire to start the Christmas season with BRAGGIN' RIGHTS. I understand this one is way bigger for folks in the St. Louis area and Southern Illinois, but honestly the lengthy history and unique setup puts it at #1 for me.
With all that said ... every time we actually suit up against the Loosiers, I find myself ranking them #1 on our rivals list yet again, as I absolutely hate them and their deranged fans.
Missouri is the only school I did not and will not allow my children to apply to.
That said, I despise Indiana basketball with Iowa not far behind.
Purdue is whatever...
Bloomington, Indiana would love to be Bloomington, IL.
Jim Rowinski - hadn't heard that name in a while. It seemed like Purdue ALWAYS had some huge steroid built body on their team in those days.
Agree with all of this and would say over the years, my "hatred" has been somewhat fluid. But, right now it goes:Really? I think you're the first Illini fan I have EVER heard say that ... I don't know if it's the shared animosity of Indiana or the fact that Purdue has a relatively small/"refined" fan base (i.e., fewer numbskulls on social media like a Michigan, lol), but I just find Purdue SO hard to "hate," haha. Historically, when you look at the entire history of the program, it is hard not to say Indiana is the "biggest rival" ... however, I think you can make a case for a couple, depending on where you live and your age:
Indiana: Incredibly close series between the flagship schools of two bordering basketball nations. Forget the Henson/Knigh feuds or Eric Gordon; there really is a feel during this game sometimes that it's our two great and storied basketball STATES going up against each other.
Iowa: I cannot imagine how much I would have hated Iowa had I been of age during the Bruce Pearl saga and we had some recent bad blood during the Ayo years, so I genuinely get the "hate Iowa above all else" crowd. Additionally, Iowa fans really do have a strange animosity toward Illinois as an entity - from the school to the state to the team - in a way that they don't toward other rivals that they might even hate MORE like Wisconsin. It's hard to explain, but I lived in Iowa City for a long time; it's a weird combination of being intimidated by the Illini and having a bit of a Napoleon Complex while also completely disparaging us and showing us no respect. It's bizarre and bitter, but I'll say that most Iowa fans are incredibly nice/chill compared to a fan base like Michigan or Indiana or Ohio State if you can get past this initial rivalry hatred, haha. However, Iowa has rarely been good WHILE Illinois was also good during my lifetime ... pretty much only since 2019-20. So, at times the rivalry has seemed dead to me.
Michigan: I assume this stems from the 1989 loss and general Big-Ten-wide loathing of the Wolverines, along with some recent bad blood about their COVID pause abuse and Dickinson running his mouth, but count me out on this one. Michigan's focus has always been SO skewed toward football, and they have other rivalries that they would always prioritize in Michigan State and Ohio State.
Michigan State: This one is weird for me, because it was so artificially friendly during the Weber years, and then we sucked so it didn't matter. During our ascension, MSU has been down compared to their normal selves. Other than the cheap shot on Ayo, this one seems like a generic series against a good program.
Northwestern: Really all this one has going for it is that NU is the only fan base where 90%+ of their fans would name us as their biggest rival ... so it would at least be reciprocal. However, they have been so historically bad while we have been pretty good that the animosity is just so low. Even at its height during the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" crap, it just never picked up that much steam. However, I have no problem calling them a rival (I think gatekeeping that term is the height of cringe, personally) in the way that Tennessee is a "rival" with Vanderbilt and Georgia is a "rival" with Georgia Tech. Both programs throw a bone to their (private school) little brother instate, even if their fans care more about other rivalries.
Purdue: Again, for me, this one is just lacking. Both fan bases, by and large, absolutely hate Indiana and there has just been a surprising lack of bad blood over the years. Additionally, of all of the teams on this list INCLUDING Northwestern, I have had the most chill/non-confrontational interactions with Purdue fans both online and in person.
Wisconsin: This REALLY should be a bigger rivalry in every sport to mirror a Bears/Packers dynamic ... but it just has never been. A likely reason is that Wisconsin historically sucked at everything and got good at football right as we slid into the dark ages. Maybe this one will pick up with BB at the helm for us and spill over into hoops?
Missouri: Personally, I am a sucker for non-conference, out-of-state rivalries where the two rivals have absolutely nothing to bond over. Indiana and Purdue "hate each other," but they're both so far up their a$$ about the state of Indiana's basketball lore that they have a lot in common there. Florida and Georgia "hate each other," but they'll both start a cringe "SEC! SEC! SEC!" chant with the best of them. When we suit up against Mizzou in that epic atmosphere in St. Louis, I feel nothing but hate, contempt and a burning desire to start the Christmas season with BRAGGIN' RIGHTS. I understand this one is way bigger for folks in the St. Louis area and Southern Illinois, but honestly the lengthy history and unique setup puts it at #1 for me.
With all that said ... every time we actually suit up against the Loosiers, I find myself ranking them #1 on our rivals list yet again, as I absolutely hate them and their deranged fans.
1. Indiana
2. Michigan
3. Missouri
After that, my disdain for any particular school drops significantly.
I hate to say this but I think the game will be closer than we would like, I think TJD will have a monster game, but I think we come out on top 71-67.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
That is indeed the question. They have an excellent performance music program.
And they have a lot of limestone. So they've got that going for them, which is nice.
This Nick Anderson shot wasn't too bad either:
Whoever mention that the rivalry is regional is correct. I grew up on the Iowa border in Western Illinois. I didn't hate Iowa until I went to 2 years of junior college at Southeastern Community College in Keokuk Iowa. It didn't take long to figure out that a lot Iowa fans where A- Holes. Then I transferred to Northeast Missouri State and guess what. I had to deal with a ton of Iowa fans there as well. Never heard a peep out of the Missouri fans. Then over the last 35 years or so I have crossed the border to work in Iowa. That had just reinforced my hatred for all things Iowa. The Iowa fans are just as delusional as the Indiana fans only not as smart about their sports teams.
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