Go to a game with my wife's family, guarantee PU makes it into your anti-top 3. Not sure anything can supplant UM at #1, but my sister-in-law sure tries. BOILER UP
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altgeld88
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Rowinski was a beast, and a complete thorn in the side of the Illini, but he's one of my all-time favorite BT players. As I recall he wasn't a heralded recruit and might even have been a walk-on at Purdue. In any event, he succeeded Russell Cross at Center and was First-Team All BT and BT Player of the Year his senior season.
He's a shining example of what hard work in the weight room can do for a basketball player. Merely 6'8" as a center but strong as an ox. The 'roid dig is unwarranted, IMO. He just hit the iron hard and it paid off.
For those who don't recall, in '83 we were blowing out Purdue by 20 at the AH (after flubbing the season, thinking it was '84 earlier in this thread, I looked up the game.) Keady pulled all the starters and put in the subs. Purdue won the game on Rowinski's long bank shot at the buzzer. Then he shut us down in WL in '84 in what basically decided the BT title that season.
I was sitting behind a grew of obnoxious Indiana fans. The shock on their faces was heart warming.
Well, I love the Illini and hate Indiana, but ....this...no.
That is more than 10 times the tuition I paid my freshman year including room and board, but I am getting old. The price of private college tuition is now ridiculous, and is going to have to change at some point. I would expect that you can get as good of an education at Purdue as at Rose-Hulman if you want it, maybe even better. And avoiding a bunch of student debt is about the best life and career decision you can make.
As for the last part of your statement, that has been the dig on Rose graduates for at least 40 years, and is likely accurate when applied to graduates of most top colleges. When you have more companies recruiting on campus than graduates, it creates an impression. I don't know about engineering, because I never worked in the field but, in my experience, it is once you are in the real world that the real training for a career begins.
The fancy private school degree seems to be good for two things:
1) Connections
2) Getting the first job, possibly at a slightly higher level/pay.
Studies on the connections from the ivy league schools seem to say they have real value. Others ...
The private school may be worth it for those who need more guidance / hand holding / structure. The big public schools are pretty much sink or swim. The resulting degree has to get a really good paying job to justify it.
I'd say this is why basket ball players should go to public schools like UI, except all the D1 players are getting tuition waivers. The things I would have done for tuition waivers ...
I was playing darts with some Indiana fans and proceeded to run laps around the inside of the bar. How I got out of there alive, I don't know.
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True, but I've worked around dozens Rose Hulman graduates building prototype optical systems. About 20% of them are normal, the other 80% have trouble opening a push/pull door.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Fair, haha. And let's be real, we can all rile up a bit of animosity for almost every other Big Ten team; we all compete with some pretty high stakes, and it's easy to have an "us against the world" mentality! However, I would argue that for most of the fan base, Indiana, Iowa and Michigan have separated themselves into a special kind of relevance.Go to a game with my wife's family, guarantee PU makes it into your anti-top 3. Not sure anything can supplant UM at #1, but my sister-in-law sure tries. BOILER UP
That's actually pretty good. Most hoosiers have trouble opening a swinging door.
*hopefully it goes without saying, my jabs at Indiana are all in good fun. I have a few (misguided) family members who live in IN, so I know they aren't all bad.
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
My ex-wife lives in Indiana. Fitting place for her.
Well, Efrem Winters was listed at about the same height and weight but looked like Olive Oil next to Jim.
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
A lot of spinach'll do that! I still recall admiring the guy as a high school senior and thinking to myself: "He's the poster boy for self-improvement."Well, Efrem Winters was listed at about the same height and weight but looked like Olive Oil next to Jim.
BTW, I have a copy of the SI article in which that 1984 photo appears. It's title is "THE PRINCE OF PECS GAVE PURDUE A LIFT." Heh.
[EDIT: Steve Reid, a guard on that Boiler team was similarly brawny, though merely 5'9"]
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We all get the privilege of choosing our emotions.
‘Hate’ is a strong word. Strong in the sense that the ‘Hater’ (by virtue of expending the energy of ‘hate’) is deeming some kind of grand importance to the object being hated. And 'They' sense that and get pumped up and get off about it.
For things I personally dislike... I do not want to grant those things such high (hate) status or energy. So, I choose... Indifference. That really steams them up. They don’t get that feeling of importance any more. For me, they just seem irrelevant to other things that do matter.
I don’t hate Iowa or Indiana or Missouri. All I want is to win the games and maybe make them look silly in the process of doing so. Playing spirited, tidy roundball against them is the best reward.
But... then there IS my ‘Dislike’ list which are the 'Programs of Assumed Generational Privilege' (in the following alphabetical order):
Duke... Kansas... Kentucky... Michigan... Michigan State... North Carolina... THE Ohio State... UCLA... and finally... ANYBODY in the ACC or Big East.
Why the ACC and Big East? For generations all we ever heard from Loud Eastern Media was about how great these Conferences were and that anyone who played against them was lucky just to be allowed on the same floor with them. Sickening. And certain famous broadcasters became notorious for their continual slobbering over these Conferences.
I do respect these programs in that they built themselves up and have managed to stay near the top for so long. That is an accomplishment. But that’s all. There is little else to feel warm and fuzzy over any of those programs.
Winning. And winning with Class. That impresses me. Players of character. Running a clean program. Mentoring young men and helping them to be better young men. That’s what ball in the Prairie State has always been about – right up from the high school level. Fans that are loud, loyal, and respectful.
Leading by example — The Illinois Way. The Big Orange Road.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Legitimately laughed out loud at this in my office, haha. It looks like we are 26-19 against Indiana since the 2000 season, so it has been a fairly even series for the past 20+ years. I honestly probably counted these incorrectly, but as my boss would say ... they are "directionally correct."
Champaign, IL: 15-4
Bloomington, IN: 6-12
BTT: 5-3 (3-2 in Chicago, 2-1 in Indianapolis)
Some particularly memorable (or forgettable!) ones:
- 1999: #21 Illinois 72, #13 Indiana 69 (BTT in Chicago, IL) ... Cory Bradford's game-winning three.
- 2002: Indiana 88, #9 Illinois 57 (Bloomington, IN) ... one of the most random beatdowns we have ever suffered.
- 2006: #14 Illinois 70, Indiana 58 (Champaign, IL) ... revenge for a close loss in Bloomington earlier that year, and Brian Randle absolutely posterized an IU guy that I am forgetting.
- 2008: #13 Indiana 83, Illinois 79 (2OT in Champaign, IL) ... yeah, the Gordon game...
- 2013: Illinois 74, #1 Indiana 72 (Champaign, IL) ... GRIFFEY!
I am seriously so desperate to pummel these guys tomorrow night!
I think Bradford's 3 was in 2000 and I think randle posterized Marco Killingsworth.Legitimately laughed out loud at this in my office, haha. It looks like we are 26-19 against Indiana since the 2000 season, so it has been a fairly even series for the past 20+ years. I honestly probably counted these incorrectly, but as my boss would say ... they are "directionally correct."
Champaign, IL: 15-4
Bloomington, IN: 6-12
BTT: 5-3 (3-2 in Chicago, 2-1 in Indianapolis)
Some particularly memorable (or forgettable!) ones:
- 1999: #21 Illinois 72, #13 Indiana 69 (BTT in Chicago, IL) ... Cory Bradford's game-winning three.
- 2002: Indiana 88, #9 Illinois 57 (Bloomington, IN) ... one of the most random beatdowns we have ever suffered.
- 2006: #14 Illinois 70, Indiana 58 (Champaign, IL) ... revenge for a close loss in Bloomington earlier that year, and Brian Randle absolutely posterized an IU guy that I am forgetting.
- 2008: #13 Indiana 83, Illinois 79 (2OT in Champaign, IL) ... yeah, the Gordon game...
- 2013: Illinois 74, #1 Indiana 72 (Champaign, IL) ... GRIFFEY!
I am seriously so desperate to pummel these guys tomorrow night!
My son went to Rose and loved it. We visited both schools the same weekend. At U of I, they made basically no effort to even notice him in the crowd. At Rose, the sign when you entered campus welcomed him by name, and the dean came in to talk to us one on one (OK, one on two) for about 20 minutes.
Fun fact, both schools touted that US News ranked them no. 1 for civil engineering (my major). Both were accurate: the beloved for schools with grad programs, and Rose for those without.
That was where I saw my first "Friends don't let friends go to Purdue" shirt. And we all agree with that.
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I could see that, especially from before they admitted women, although you are a little low (not much) on the percentage of normal people there (not a lot of the normal ones are going to be building prototype optical systems, although that does sound rather interesting compared to say maintaining fishing line manufacturing equipment for DuPont).
There is a difference between being intelligent and being able to apply that intelligence to new and unique situations in which you are uncomfortable..
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- Arlington, Virginia
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