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#26      
Wisconsin win moved them back to a Q1 road win and Q2 home win. Rooting for Wisconsin is a sneaky underlying piece of the resume as shifts 2 wins up a slot…that could be worth half a seed at the end of the year (or that they are higher when committee is really working on initial seeding).

On top of it, if we stumble and they work into any tiebreakers with us it helps as we’d have a 2-0 in the head to heads between whatever teams are tied.
 
#27      
Can't figure out how Illinois is below Indiana here with a better Q1 record, Q2 record, road record, and 2 top 10 wins on neutral courts. They don't currently own a ranked win.
My guess is that it's because our losses weren't just losses, we got mauled. I'm not really sure what goes into the calculus, but losing to 20 to Missouri, 15 to Northwestern, 15 to Indiana and 15 to Penn State couldn't have helped the numbers.
 
#28      
The Athletic dropped their weekly bracket this morning. We're the top 6 seed. IU is 2 spots behind us also on the 6 line. Our resumes are almost identical at this point.

We are next to each other in NET, KenPom, and KPI. We're 3 spots ahead of them in Sagarin and have a 7-6 Q1+Q2 records vs. 6-7 for IU.
 
#30      
New thread, thought I'd look at the conference visavis the bracket matrix: [Seed & Team]

1 Purdue
5 Rutgers
5 Indiana
6 Illinois
8 MSU
9 Iowa
9 NW
10 Maryland

Bubble [Positions off & Team]
(1st) Wiscy
(4th) Penn State
(6th) OSU
Do these in season brackets assume the positions if the season ended today, or anticipate the end of season result?

Historically almost every team with an NET or RPI 35 or better has made the tournament with less than one exception per year. Utah State may be that exception this year at 32 with 0 Q1 wins and 3-4 Q4 record. Majority of teams with sub 45 rankings make it as well.

Similarly, very few teams with NET or RPI greater than 60 make it.

Sometimes I think these sites over complicate the process getting to 68, and exaggerate a teams bubble status. Teams like Illinois and Indiana are locks right now.

Every year it generally comes down to roughly 10 teams ranked between 36-60 making the tournament as bubble teams. The best teams outside that 10 are in the last four in or first four out territory depending on conference tourney results.
 
#31      
Do these in season brackets assume the positions if the season ended today, or anticipate the end of season result?
There's 90 submissions currently, but it will grow. I wouldn't expect they all do it the same way. My guess is that most do it off the games to date, since that's where the solid data is.
 
#32      
Torivk's top 4 odds are updated, and it's a doozy!


We have a 45% chance at a double-bye. Obviously Purdue will get one, and Rutgers has a 95% chance. So that leaves 2 spots remaining, and those spots are wide open. There are 7 teams, including us, with anywhere between a 24%-56% chance at a double-bye. Maryland is at the top at 56% which is a little surprising, but their remaining schedule is pretty favorable. Northwestern is the bottom of that 7 team group with a 24% chance. Then you have Indiana, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, and Michigan St somewhere in between. Penn St and Wisconsin do still have an outside chance at 7% and 3%, respectively.
 
#33      
But one thing to note with Rutgers, Mawot Mag went out with a knee injury and didn't return against MSU. If he's out for an extended period, that's a huge miss for Rutgers. They have very little depth, and his defense has been a big reason they have been so good.
 
#34      
With all that being said, I'm torn if I should root for or against Purdue. It would be very entertaining to see them choke, and miraculously lose the title or at least make it close. But at the same time, if they blow through their schedule that means teams challenging for a double bye are picking up L's which is good for us. Here is their remaining schedule....

Iowa
@NW
@Maryland
tOSU
Indiana
@Wisconsin
Illinois
 
#35      

lstewart53x3

Scottsdale, Arizona
With all that being said, I'm torn if I should root for or against Purdue. It would be very entertaining to see them choke, and miraculously lose the title or at least make it close. But at the same time, if they blow through their schedule that means teams challenging for a double bye are picking up L's which is good for us. Here is their remaining schedule....

Iowa
@NW
@Maryland
tOSU
Indiana
@Wisconsin
Illinois
Boiler up.
 
#36      

Krombopulos_Michael

Aurora, Illinois (that’s a suburb of Chicago)
With all that being said, I'm torn if I should root for or against Purdue. It would be very entertaining to see them choke, and miraculously lose the title or at least make it close. But at the same time, if they blow through their schedule that means teams challenging for a double bye are picking up L's which is good for us. Here is their remaining schedule....

Iowa
@NW
@Maryland
tOSU
Indiana
@Wisconsin
Illinois
Not as torn as you in my rooting interest:

- Double Bye in BTT
- Good health for the roster moving forward
- Learn to finally make 3’s rest of the way
 
#38      
With all that being said, I'm torn if I should root for or against Purdue. It would be very entertaining to see them choke, and miraculously lose the title or at least make it close. But at the same time, if they blow through their schedule that means teams challenging for a double bye are picking up L's which is good for us. Here is their remaining schedule....

Iowa
@NW
@Maryland
tOSU
Indiana
@Wisconsin
Illinois
I refuse to give up hope on a regular season title. Indiana rejuvenated to beat us, and went on to beat Purdue. They can do it again. Iowa got fired up to beat us, now they get Purdue. If Purdue loses those two, we're back to controlling our own destiny for at least a share.

Hope springs eternal , right?
 
#39      
#40      
FWIW, remaining schedules, with current net rankings:

Ohio State - #41
vs. #52 Northwestern
vs. #45 Michigan State
at #33 Iowa
at #4 Purdue
vs. #58 Penn State
vs. #26 ILLINOIS
vs. #28 Maryland
at #45 Michigan State

Wisconsin - #77
at #58 Penn State
at #96 Nebraska
vs. #68 Michigan
vs. #19 Rutgers
vs. #33 Iowa
at #68 Michigan
vs. #4 Purdue
at #235 Minnesota

So yeah ... I could see either stabilize or continue to fall off, lol. One thing that is crystal clear is that we HAVE to win at Ohio State. They are so beatable right now, and it would remain a Quad 1 win as long as they are top 75.
 
#41      
Also, I feel it is rarely laid out like this ... but here are our current wins by category, with a quick reminder of how the rules work:

QUAD RULES FOR NET RANKINGS
Quad 1:
#1-30 Home, #1-50 Neutral, #1-75 Away
Quad 2: #31-75 Home, #51-100 Neutral, #76-135 Away
Quad 3: #76-170 Home, #101-200 Neutral, #135-240 Away
Quad 4: #161-353 Home, #201-353 Neutral, #241-353 Away

Quad 1: 2-6
vs. #5 UCLA (Las Vegas, NV)
vs. #8 Texas (New York, NY)

Quad 2: 4-1
vs. #41 Ohio State
vs. #45 Michigan State
at #77 Wisconsin
at #96 Nebraska

Quad 3: 4-0
vs. #77 Wisconsin
vs. #96 Nebraska
vs. #98 Syracuse
at #235 Minnesota

Quad 4: 6-0
vs. #259 Kansas City
vs. #335 Alabama A&M
vs. #336 Lindenwood
vs. #342 Bethune-Cookman
vs. #348 Eastern Illinois
vs. #354 Monmouth

A Few Notes...
- Let's get the obvious out of the way ... it REALLY sucks to have played more than well enough to win in Iowa City but still have enough mistakes cost us a two-point, Quad 1 game. :(
- We REALLY need Wisconsin to stabilize and get into the top 75! Going from a Quad 2 and Quad 3 vs. UW to a Quad 1 and a Quad 2 is invaluable for our resume.
- It would be really nice if at least one of MSU and OSU could randomly get hot (besides our remaining game in Columbus) and sneak into the top 30; neither is THAT far away right now. OSU in Columbus will be a Quad 1 game no matter what, but it would be so nice to get at least one of these into Quad 1 territory for our wins in Champaign ... highly unlikely, though.
- It's hard to believe they are THIS bad, but our road win vs. Minnesota is at risk of actually somehow becoming a QUAD 4 win if they slip down below #240...

Now, as is talked about a lot more, on to the remaining games, broken up in the same way...

Quad 1
at #4 Purdue
vs. #19 Rutgers
at #22 Indiana
at #41 Ohio State
at #58 Penn State
vs. #68 Michigan

Quad 2
vs. #52 Northwestern

Quad 3

Quad 4

vs. #235 Minnesota

Even More Notes...
- Do! Not! Lose! To! Minnesota!! Probably really need to beat both Northwestern and Michigan at home, as well ... while not "bad losses," Michigan could become a Quad 3 game theoretically, and we need to stack up wins.
- This will sound weird to the old-timers or more casual fans, but that Rutgers home game is H-U-G-E and considering it's a 1:00 pm Saturday home game, I REALLY hope the crowd is lit in Champaign! Let's show them what the House of 'Paign has been doing long before anyone outside of Jersey ever gave two thoughts about the RAC!
- While any of those road wins would be huge, I really have Ohio State circled. I am a bit scarred by the PSU and Indiana losses at home, but we looked like the CLEARLY better team against the Buckeyes. A Quad 1 opportunity in Columbus frankly sounds too good to be true.
- With all that said, winning the games "we should" (i.e., the home games and stealing one of the road games) will only get us a decent seed. We will need to both (A) not trip up anywhere where we will be the favorite and (B) steal at least one extra road game, preferably in Bloomington or West Lafayette, to really climb up that seed line. And we can do it ... if we bring a similar effort and intensity as we did in Iowa City and just combine it with fewer mental lapses and silly fouls, we can get red hot going into March.

I feel like I am exceptionally optimistic about this team after Saturday even with a loss ... at least in my eyes, we are starting to develop chemistry and the effort was there. I was genuinely proud of our team. If we play like that in Bloomington and West Lafayette, we are at least going to give ourselves a chance. If we play with that effort and it happens to be a night like Mayer's at Wisconsin or God willing Shannon vs. UCLA, we will win.

I-L-L!
 
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#43      
need some Q1 wins. 2-6 Q1 record doesn't look great.
The conference has really hit the can, as a whole, with the bottom falling out of Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn State. Wins/losses that looked good early, not so great now.

At this point, I just want us to get into the tournament. Those wins in November are officially keeping us afloat because of the above.
 
#44      
The conference has really hit the can, as a whole, with the bottom falling out of Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn State. Wins/losses that looked good early, not so great now.

At this point, I just want us to get into the tournament. Those wins in November are officially keeping us afloat because of the above.
Nothing is keeping us afloat. We are 16-7 in one of the best conferences in the country. Going to have 20 plus wins again most likely. Not needing to worry about to tournament is always nice
 
#45      
EDIT: I accidentally put Michigan in Quad 1 above ... should be Quad 2.

need some Q1 wins. 2-6 Q1 record doesn't look great.
Agreed ... frustrating how close we are to that reading "5-5" if OSU and Wisconsin were competent and we could have finished off Iowa. :( However, let's allow ourselves to dream and say that we get the team that showed up in Iowa City as far as intensity/effort goes, and we continue to gel a bit more each game ... I think the record to finish the year below is very optimistic but also not quite as "crazy" as the insane ways we finished the 2003-04 or 2020-01 seasons (i.e., it's doable!).

W vs. Minnesota (Q4)
W vs. Rutgers (Q1)
W at Penn State (Q1)
L at Indiana (Q1)
W at Ohio State (Q1)
W vs. Michigan (Q2)
L at Purdue (Q1)

That would make us:

5-8 vs. Quad 1
5-1 vs. Quad 2
4-0 vs. Quad 3
7-0 vs. Quad 4

If we really get hot, the right performance can even knock off Indiana in Bloomington; you never know in this league. However, even with just Wisconsin stabilizing AT ALL and jumping from #77 to #75, we would then be 6-8 in Quad 1 and 6-1 in Quad 2 games ... that's pretty good.

The story just always ends up being the same ... we have work to do if we want a really good seed, but we also have WINNABLE huge opportunities in front of us. Our season will be as defined by what we do the rest of February and early March than the entirety of it up until now. Given what I saw in Iowa City, that is exciting to me!
 
#46      
Nothing is keeping us afloat. We are 16-7 in one of the best conferences in the country. Going to have 20 plus wins again most likely. Not needing to worry about to tournament is always nice
Agreed, unless he just meant "afloat" for a top 6 seed ... but it really sounded like he was insinuating that we were close to being a Bubble team, and we are not. We've put together a pretty good resume with no bad losses, and we'll be favorites or in pick 'em games for at least 5 of our 8 remaining games. If we continue to play well, the wins will start to follow again and we'll be in a great spot on Selection Sunday.
 
#47      

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Edit: also looks like all our potential tiebreakers are moving below us too…
 
#48      
I think the record to finish the year below is very optimistic but also not quite as "crazy" as the insane ways we finished the 2003-04 or 2020-01 seasons (i.e., it's doable!).

W vs. Minnesota (Q4)
W vs. Rutgers (Q1)
W at Penn State (Q1)
L at Indiana (Q1)
W at Ohio State (Q1)
W vs. Michigan (Q2)
L at Purdue (Q1)
Finishing as above is definitely doable. Based on team performance from 1/7 and on, Torvik has us favored in all remaining games except @Indiana and @Purdue.
 
#50      

danielb927

Orange Krush Class of 2013
Rochester, MN
Nothing is keeping us afloat. We are 16-7 in one of the best conferences in the country. Going to have 20 plus wins again most likely. Not needing to worry about to tournament is always nice

I mean... devil's advocate, if we lost those two games we'd be 14-9 with zero quad 1 wins. That'd be pretty dang bubbly territory, wouldn't it? If so, I don't think "keeping us afloat" is a totally unfair way to look at it, even if we're quite safe right now.
 
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