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Everyone who has an opening does … You don’t wanna be the last one standing …
There’s teams still in the tournament that are kicking tires in case their coach leaves … Just part of it …
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Oh my God, you literally couldn't make this up, haha. Yeah, I am all for weird allegiances when they make sense and the fan is loyal. I went to another Big Ten school entirely for logistical/financial reasons, but I grew up an Illini fan and remained one through it all! My best friend grew up a huge Wisconsin fan and went to Marquette, so he remained a Badgers football fan and while he cheered for Marquette, I think he still wanted Wisconsin to win when they played in hoops. Had another friend grow up a huge Iowa fan, go to Stanford and yet he'd never cheer for Stanford.
All of that is WAY different than the #1 and #2 you described, which are just so lame and true salt in the wound to fans who have suffered through losing seasons. I'm sure it's nice never having to watch bad teams, but how can anyone tell me a guy from NJ who just picked Duke felt the emotional high last year that we all did when Illinois made the Final Four?! Being there through the bad times is what it's all about.
P.S. I would be really curious to know what percent of these "factory" schools are fans of their worse sport. Like, obviously Duke basketball fans aren't all Duke football fans, but I have literally zero idea what percent is a reasonable guess. You could tell me 5% or 35% and I wouldn't know what to believe, lol. I also wonder if a lot of bandwagoners for Alabama football conveniently turned into "real" Alabama fans this year.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
These are not perfect measures regarding your question, but I think in the age of NIL it has become a lot more relevant for sports. Without speculating about how many non-alumni fans in these metros/states would help support these schools' NIL programs, compare the following:
Georgetown: $3.2 billion endowment and 215,000 living alumni
Villanova: $1.1 billion endowment and 130,000 living alumni
Marquette: $930 million endowment and 110,000 living alumni
DePaul: $825 million and 205,000 living alumni
St. John's (NY): $720 million endowment and 170,000 living alumni
Illinois: $3.8 billion endowment and 470,000 living alumni
So St. John's is pretty "meh" for the whole Catholic school in a big metro crowd, and this also shows how Georgetown is sort of in a mini sub-league of its own among its college hoops peers, having an endowment closer to a huge and successful Big Ten state school like Illinois
. One note is that 82% of St. John's alumni live in the NYC metro, per Wikipedia ... so they could certainly do a better job of galvanizing immediate fan support.
DaChief4ever
- Urbana
Pitino checking out local after hours restaurants with tabletop waitresses
the national
- the Front Range
Officially official
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
One half Pitino head per year.
Didn’t take long for Providence to lose its first recruit.
DaChief4ever
- Urbana
Is there a database of how much NIL money each school has?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Nope. These things coalesce on a deal-by-deal basis, and it's truly the wild west out there right now in terms of how for real any of these deals are.
The Illini Guardians are legit and worthy of our support.
Leaving any Big Ten school for DePaul would be a brutal move. DePaul wouldn't think of this because it isn't in their range of options.
DaChief4ever
- Urbana
FUTURE TIMES.....The Dirtbag Final Four
St. John Vs Auburn
Houston Vs ?
St. John Vs Auburn
Houston Vs ?
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Ole Miss
Lamest he’s a bad human story in the history of stories
Why would he go to DePaul...an absolute train-wreck?
drsmitty74
- Rochester
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Similar to scUM with Fisher after Freider. Took them far enough, they had to hire him.
Georgetown is in a better position? St. John's? DePaul is a job where it you can find the right fit...it could be a winning situation. Dave Leiteo should have never left. He had a good thing going, bailed for Virginia and never got his career back on track. They're in a great conference, in what should be a great recruiting area....no reason for them to be bad. Same thing as St. John's. Pretty rich history for both.
One of my friends while at UIUC was a ND Fan in football and a Duke fan in basketball.
Just an absolute monster.
Short answer - no.That just seems so awkward and weird to me as a Big Ten fan, as did Beard going from TTU to Texas even if it was his alma mater.
Illinois: Brad Underwood (Oklahoma State) and John Groce (Ohio)
Indiana: Mike Woodson (assistant in NBA) and Archie Miller (Dayton)
Iowa: Fran McCaffrey (Sienna) and Todd Lickliter (Butler)
Maryland: Kevin Willard (Seton Hall) and Mark Turgeon (Texas A&M)
Michigan: Juwan Howard (assistant in NBA) and John Beilein (West Virginia)
Michigan State: Tom Izzo (internal assistant) and Jud Heathcote (Montana)
Minnesota: Ben Johnson (assistant at Xavier) and Richard Pitino (FIU)
Nebraska: Fred Hoiberg (interim career period) and Tim Miles (Colorado State)
Northwestern: Chris Collins (assistant at Duke) and Bill Carmody (Princeton)
Ohio State: Chris Holtmann (Butler) and Thad Matta (Xavier)
Penn State: Micah Shrewsberry (assistant at Purdue) and Pat Chambers (Boston U)
Purdue: Purdue (internal assistant) and Gene Keady (Western Kentucky)
Rutgers: Steve Pikiell (Stony Brook) and Eddie Jordan (assistant in NBA)
Wisconsin: Greg Gard (internal assistant) and Bo Ryan (UW-Milwaukee)
So, the vast majority seem to be promoting internal assistants, hiring current NBA assistants with a past connection to the program or going the traditional "find the trending mid-major coach" approach. The following are examples of "splash hires," taking a head coach from a successful program of theoretically equal standing:
Illinois swiping Underwood from Oklahoma State
Maryland swiping Willard from Seton Hall
Maryland swiping Turgeon from Texas A&M
Michigan swiping Beilein from West Virginia
However, nobody has just jumped from one Big Ten job to another ... it practically seems like it goes against some fraternal code, haha.
P.S. For the silly talk of us being a "stepping stone job" sometimes, Illinois and Maryland appear to be the only programs on that list able to swipe coaches from Power Five teams multiple times in the past 30+ years (with us taking Kruger from Florida)!
According to sports-reference.com, there have been 6 coaches to work at 2 different B1G schools. Four of those went directly from one to the other with the most recent being Ozzie Cowles, who moved from Michigan to Minnesota after the '47-48 season.
And Notre Dame isn't a train wreck currently? Penn St. wasn't a train wreck before he came? It's about the coach, not the program. DePaul could get back on the right track if it had the right leadership
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
ugh. I do really despise those types of people. I know the type. Typically are wealthy from dad's money, and Dad wouldnt let them go to their favorite sports school. The west suburbs are now full of 'Bama football fans and Duke hoops fans.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
its an unwritten and undiscussed rule of conference schools not poaching coaches in the revenue sports. Used to happen in football way back in the day until they kinda put a stop to it. Rightfully so. Thats SEC crap
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
disagree. It would seriously take a miracle by a Sister Jean type at DePaul for them to regain relevance.
The days of slipping a west side or south side hotshot $10,000 a year to play at Halsted & Fullerton for 3 years are long gone.
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