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Calvin

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Illinicpa14 said:
Knowing how they have played, if you could have curbelo and Miller on this roster right now would you say yes?
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Don't want to dump on a former player, but I think neither improved since they left, at least not looking at them statistically. Maybe in a category or two, but overall efficiency looks down a bit.

Serious question: how many guys who've left under BU made a significant step forward at their new destination?
 
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illiniguy

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Calvin said:
Don't want to dump on a former player, but I think neither improved since they left, at least not looking at them statistically. Maybe in a category or two, but overall efficiency looks down a bit.

Serious question: how many guys who've left under BU made a significant step forward at their new destination?
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Podz didn't make a significant step, he made a giant leap...and probably into the league next year.

I'd say Tevian Jones made a significant step.
 
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Illini in Italy

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dbeverly26 said:
The reason why the NBA and other pro leagues (aside from the NFL, maybe) don't sign young players to one-year contracts is because they have collective bargaining agreements in place with the players' unions that, along with the draft, allow them to lock in young players for well below market value for several years.

By restricting player movement, the NCAA had a version of this in place for a very long time. If pro players were free agents from day one, you'd see a trend very much like what we are seeing in the NCAA right now. I feel differently about this than a lot of folks do and generally support the rights of players to get the best available deal, but regardless the NCAA's failure to protect itself in this situation is pretty stunning compared to the overall landscape of big money sports.
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I get your position, mine is the minute players start signing contracts is the day I stop following college athletics (We're almost to that point IMHO).
 
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Illini in Italy

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Nuffievanhaven said:
Guess I'm different, but RJ never impressed me.
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Tom Cruise What GIF
 
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GallopingGhost

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Sutton_Place said:
Love the roster so far:

Amani Hansberry
Dra Gibbs-Lawhorn
Luke Goode
Dain Dainja

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I would guess Ty and Sencire are pretty much as good as back, too.

Maybes for Coleman and Shannon and RJ. If we get 2/3 I’m a very happy man.

Idk anymore. I guess I just wait for May to see what the roster actually looks like
 
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STL Illini

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Calvin said:
Don't want to dump on a former player, but I think neither improved since they left, at least not looking at them statistically. Maybe in a category or two, but overall efficiency looks down a bit.

Serious question: how many guys who've left under BU made a significant step forward at their new destination?
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Many of those that left did so after their freshman year. The take that after they transferred they have not developed after one or two years into some u realistic expectation is a bit distorted.
If our staff program is a “development program, (as repeatedly stated by BU), then their development should be evaluated after 3, 4, or 5 years. (development program indicates ‘long term’ - not one and done). Ex: a player that comes ranked as a high three * but leaves after year one is not an NBA lottery pick one year after transfer is ridiculous. Let’s see how it plays out long term….since we are a development program, signing players that need to develop. Seriously…..common sense.
The fact of the matter is that we are losing a lot of players after their first year (or two)....These are highly rated prospects that we have either poorly evaluated, poorly developed, or are discontented with our program.
If you want to argue the numbers (how many players) are in the portal, there are far more players from non-P5 schools trying to compete at our level, as well as many grad transfers.
The question should be asked why we seem to have top100-150 rated players that are leaving so quickly.
We shouldn’t be comparing our 4* freshman transfers to mid major and below sophomores and juniors wanting to make the ‘big show’ in CBB.
Too many people drinking O&B elixirs.
 
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Saturdaze

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STL Illini said:
Many of those that left did so after their freshman year. The take that after they transferred they have not developed after one or two years into some u realistic expectation is a bit distorted.
If our staff program is a “development program, (as repeatedly stated by BU), then their development should be evaluated after 3, 4, or 5 years. (development program indicates ‘long term’ - not one and done). Ex: a player that comes ranked as a high three * but leaves after year one is not an NBA lottery pick one year after transfer is ridiculous. Let’s see how it plays out long term….since we are a development program, signing players that need to develop. Seriously…..common sense.
The fact of the matter is that we are losing a lot of players after their first year (or two)....These are highly rated prospects that we have either poorly evaluated, poorly developed, or are discontented with our program.
If you want to argue the numbers (how many players) are in the portal, there are far more players from non-P5 schools trying to compete at our level, as well as many grad transfers.
The question should be asked why we seem to have top100-150 rated players that are leaving so quickly.
We shouldn’t be comparing our 4* freshman transfers to mid major and below sophomores and juniors wanting to make the ‘big show’ in CBB.
Too many people drinking O&B elixirs.
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Totally agree!

We have even higher rated players leaving than you mentioned after 1 or 2 years:
Skyy = 33
Miller = 33
Curbelo = 47
Epps = 72
Smith = 79
Podz = 107
Tevian = 116
 
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Downey

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If we can keep the core together--Shannon, Hawkins, Dainja, Goode, Rodgers, Harris, Melendez, while adding Gibbs Lawhorn, Hansberry and Moretti, then I'm not too worried how the portal works out. But if we could get an elite three pt. shooter with length, I'd feel very good.
 
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