wettsten
- Chicago
how dare you interrupt this economics thread with recruiting news!
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The buyout prevents constant movement. Its not the point as to who is footing the bill. It keeps the other school from pursuing them. They don't want to hire away a coach who they have to pay 5 million dollars to bring in. Kind of like they wouldn't pursue players that have to sit out a season. It disincentivizes movement.
Its funny that you think those are two different things these days.
But, he fits in with Memphis teammates now...
Everyone's mugshots can be hung up in Penny's office
I wonder if requiring 2 years at school before a free transfer is feasible. I'm generally on the side of the players because of the disadvantage the system puts them in, but that feels like a reasonable compromise option.
Obviously there would be waiver exceptions, and you can still go if you want to sit out, but it would at least cut down on the heartbreaking Miller/Epps types, and also gives the opportunity for those kids to play a sophomore year where things might click and then they don't want to leave at all.
Obviously there would be waiver exceptions, and you can still go if you want to sit out, but it would at least cut down on the heartbreaking Miller/Epps types, and also gives the opportunity for those kids to play a sophomore year where things might click and then they don't want to leave at all.
Bidding war with the three or four gun stores in Knoxville.
Three or four hundred.
Joel Goodson
- dawgville
Drawing a conclusion from a sample size of 1! is pretty flippin' ridiculous.
My knowledge of RayJ is that he made Kim Kardashian famous.
MDchicago
- Lake Norman NC
CBS story link
Includes exceptions for transfers due to mental health and exigent circumstances, which raise plenty of interpretive issues regarding what's in and out of scope and whether the facts and circumstances in a particular case qualify.
Interesting that players looking to transfer for a second time may be incentivized to air adverse inside happenings (in their personal life and/or within the program) and to explain/exaggerate/assert their personal views regarding (as applicable) the consequences in an effort to obtain the desired waiver ... providing medical opinions to support second transfer requests could be a new cottage industry for psychologists though (probably better not to use an alumni of the school the player wants to transfer to)!
To your point, even if the NCAA sets out to grant waivers sparingly, hard to imagine them turning down a lot of players who claim that staying at their current school would be detrimental to their mental health...
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Please let us know what the natural frequency of the NIL system is and when we may expect finally to observe it.If we are now using the language of dynamical systems...
I agree, and I think the situation we find ourselves in now is one where we've overshot the more stable equilibrium and will see the system move back toward something more sustainable.
I think of it like a mass-spring-damper system. Previously it was held in an unstable position with the spring stretched by NCAA rules. When the NIL dam broke, it moved toward a more stable situation but overshot. Donors' wishes to not dump money down the drain will act as damping and cause.the system to tend toward a more stable equilibrium, but it's going to take some time.
(Sorry, I'm about to go teach a class that involves mass-spring-damper systems.)
If we are now using the language of dynamical systems...
I agree, and I think the situation we find ourselves in now is one where we've overshot the more stable equilibrium and will see the system move back toward something more sustainable.
I think of it like a mass-spring-damper system. Previously it was held in an unstable position with the spring stretched by NCAA rules. When the NIL dam broke, it moved toward a more stable situation but overshot. Donors' wishes to not dump money down the drain will act as damping and cause.the system to tend toward a more stable equilibrium, but it's going to take some time.
(Sorry, I'm about to go teach a class that involves mass-spring-damper systems.)
Not to be argumentative, but so what if interest in college basketball declines? Is it a business that needs to grow revenue? Or is it college athletics that is on some wavelength supposed to be partially an amateur sport?
If it is truly an amateur sport, then popularity going up or down simply does not matter. If it is a business, then players should be employees.
But the idea that they should FORCE kids into staying where they don't want to while making coaches and others millionaires simply isn't fair. The old system took advantage of kids.
If the new system is fair and less popular, then so be it.
Homecoming 2019
- Chicago
Wait you mean SDSU vs UConn doesn't draw as many viewers are UNC vs Kansas??
altgeld88
- Arlington, Virginia
Well done on MM's O&B ensemble there. As for the slagging: I plead guilty.
MustangWally
- Mayfield
Non athlete students can transfer whenever they want, yes? If that's the case, NCAA will have no grounds to restrict transfers of athletes. That's what kicked the NIL door wide open.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Glad someone voiced this, because I think this is implicit in a lot anti-NCAA commentary.
I just think it's a completely false choice, and also disagree with the spirit of it.
Not to be too precious about it or whatever, but college sports is a wonderful part of our collective inheritance and we should have an ethic of stewardship about it.
Endless consumption of hyper-personalized, AI-generated, algorithmically fed "content" slurry beamed constantly to our faces via our phones (or worse) is a legacy we will be rightfully condemned for if that's what we leave behind for those that come after us.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Ah, you're probably right ... it would be fascinating to see what examples (if any) exist of programs outside of those two sports that turn a profit. Like an SEC baseball or Oklahoma State wrestling or something.
IlliniwekKDR
- Colorado Springs, CO
I mean athletes could always transfer whenever they wanted, too. They would always be taking classes at the new school the following semester. That's the same as the general student population. Their participation in intercollegiate athletics was a different issue.
IlliniwekKDR
- Colorado Springs, CO
UConn women's bball? Nebraska vball?
Not sure, just spitballing a couple thoughts.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Yeah, I have no idea. I'm guessing the sweet spot is a sport that has relatively low expenses (I'm woefully ignorant of what these would be) but also sells a lot of tickets in a decently sized arena. With literally knowing nothing, I would have to believe wrestling and good volleyball programs that play in a big arena would be decent possibilities.
Unfortunately, organizations have a significant degree of flexibility when it comes to things like internal accounting. If they tell the auditors that a practice facility used by the athletes is mostly reserved for University students, viola, the service agreement can make them look a lot better. I can't vouch for (or incriminate) any of these numbers --for all I know they might be accurate. Just saying I have some healthy skepticism as to what they really generate because they often skew to what they want them to show.
MustangWally
- Mayfield
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
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