The Galloping Ghost
- Washington, DC
Which is also demonstrably wrong.
Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread
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DeonThomas
- South Carolina
Other than a couple of FR who won't see much PT after the Christmas holiday, I expect to see lots of underclassmen sprinkled into the lineup for some really important minutes throughout the bulk of the season.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Our fans have a "guarded" habit of selling the Illini - and especially our potential - short. I am not sure if it's just a total habit at this point or it is a defense mechanism against disappointment ... but it is very misplaced. Your NIL capabilities are directly tied to three things:
1. How many fans you have (especially how many alumni you have, as they are at least theoretically more likely to give).
2. How much money those fans that are willing to gave actually have to give.
3. How much money from #2 is directed toward the specific sport in question compared to other sports (i.e., on which sports your donors are spending their money).
1. Regarding the number of fans, clear advantage Illinois and it is not close. Baylor has 136,500 living alumni compared to 450,000 for Illinois (Champaign only). I will be extra conservative and assume none of the UIS or UIC alumni are Illini fans (which would bring our total to over 800,000 living alumni). Additionally, Baylor is rather drowned out by the other state schools (especially Texas and Texas A&M) for competition for non-alumni fans outside of the Waco Area. While we would all like "Illini fever" among non-alum fans in our state to be better, we still have a LOT of people in Illinois who never went to U of I and just grew up Illini fans because it was "the state team" - an advantage Baylor does not have or at least has WAY less of one. Your evidence here is that I myself am a non-alum Illini fan who cheers for the orange and blue because it's our state's team.
2. This one is more difficult to gauge, but endowment is a decent starting point. Baylor might have a lot of wealthy alumni, but their endowment is $2.0 billion. Illinois' 2021 endowment was nearly double that at $3.82 billion. Again, this is not a perfect metric for giving to NIL funds, but it DOES speak to a basic "funds available" amount for each university and starts going down the right track. Another imperfect but interesting comparison is about the same for both schools - Baylor reports its average graduate salary at $74,786 and Illinois reports its at $74,974. Either way, a lot of this is "behind closed doors," but I would argue we have seen it demonstrated rather clearly that when push comes to shove (ponying up for Underwood, ponying up for a counter-offer for Orlando/Chin, beating out the field for Shannon and Mayer, reportedly offering Kofi six figures to stay, having comparatively huge salaries ready for both Lovie and Bielema, etc.), Josh Whitman seems to have a very deep war chest of donor money to use that goes well beyond the published athletic revenues.
3. On this one, though I actually wish this weren't the case, can anyone really argue that Illini donors would shift disproportionately more of their money toward basketball rather than football when compared to Baylor donors?
I don't see why any Illini fan would assume we do not have as much or more money than MOST programs, let alone Baylor. That's not a knock on Baylor, it's just realizing that Illinois is pretty big time itself.
Why do you come here and bog down the conversation with facts and statistics? This is the internet, sir. Only supposition and hyperbole are allowed.Our fans have a "guarded" habit of selling the Illini - and especially our potential - short. I am not sure if it's just a total habit at this point or it is a defense mechanism against disappointment ... but it is very misplaced. Your NIL capabilities are directly tied to three things:
1. How many fans you have (especially how many alumni you have, as they are at least theoretically more likely to give).
2. How much money those fans that are willing to gave actually have to give.
3. How much money from #2 is directed toward the specific sport in question compared to other sports (i.e., on which sports your donors are spending their money).
1. Regarding the number of fans, clear advantage Illinois and it is not close. Baylor has 136,500 living alumni compared to 450,000 for Illinois (Champaign only). I will be extra conservative and assume none of the UIS or UIC alumni are Illini fans (which would bring our total to over 800,000 living alumni). Additionally, Baylor is rather drowned out by the other state schools (especially Texas and Texas A&M) for competition for non-alumni fans outside of the Waco Area. While we would all like "Illini fever" among non-alum fans in our state to be better, we still have a LOT of people in Illinois who never went to U of I and just grew up Illini fans because it was "the state team" - an advantage Baylor does not have or at least has WAY less of one. Your evidence here is that I myself am a non-alum Illini fan who cheers for the orange and blue because it's our state's team.
2. This one is more difficult to gauge, but endowment is a decent starting point. Baylor might have a lot of wealthy alumni, but their endowment is $2.0 billion. Illinois' 2021 endowment was nearly double that at $3.82 billion. Again, this is not a perfect metric for giving to NIL funds, but it DOES speak to a basic "funds available" amount for each university and starts going down the right track. Another imperfect but interesting comparison is about the same for both schools - Baylor reports its average graduate salary at $74,786 and Illinois reports its at $74,974. Either way, a lot of this is "behind closed doors," but I would argue we have seen it demonstrated rather clearly that when push comes to shove (ponying up for Underwood, ponying up for a counter-offer for Orlando/Chin, beating out the field for Shannon and Mayer, reportedly offering Kofi six figures to stay, having comparatively huge salaries ready for both Lovie and Bielema, etc.), Josh Whitman seems to have a very deep war chest of donor money to use that goes well beyond the published athletic revenues.
3. On this one, though I actually wish this weren't the case, can anyone really argue that Illini donors would shift disproportionately more of their money toward basketball rather than football when compared to Baylor donors?
I don't see why any Illini fan would assume we do not have as much or more money than MOST programs, let alone Baylor. That's not a knock on Baylor, it's just realizing that Illinois is pretty big time itself.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
Why do you come here and bog down the conversation with facts and statistics? This is the internet, sir. Only supposition and hyperbole are allowed.
so we know TJ and Coleman would have to withdraw by tomorrow if they are coming back but does RayJ have the same deadline? what is the deadline for transfers to make a decision by?
Not the same deadline.
No. RayJ has already withdrawn.
Here's where we stand as of 4:41 on Tuesday afternoon.
-Staff has been quiet about Shannon and his decision-which is a great sign. He did not get the feedback from the Magic he was looking for. Expect an announcement that he's coming back to school tomorrow.
-Coleman working out with the Grizzles today-he has not totally decided what he's doing yet. However, his dad wants him to come back and I think he's leaning that way slightly, especially if Shannon is back. Expect an announcement after Shannon later in the day.
-RayJ finished his workout today with the Bucks. Utah and Michigan are out. It is down to Baylor and Illinois, who both are making serious pushes. If Flagler is back, RayJ is automatically going to Illinois. If Flagler stays in the draft, then both have a solid shot at him. Honestly though, I think Shannon coming back would push Illinois over the edge.
Finally getting some answers tomorrow-it's been a very long offseason haha.
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Always Illini
- Central Illinois
Old may be good but PhD not so much. They would over-analyze everything and remain frozen until their advisor provides a suggestion as to how to proceed. Not a good demographic for B1G BBall.
How did Utah go from almost a done deal to out of it completely?
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
pru wanted me to ask you if you enjoyed your vacation ????.........So , did you ????.........he really really wants to know...................
Tomorrow there will SO much news across college bball-obv our two guys, Edey, and a bunch of big names with the stay/go decision across the country.
Also, there will be a couple of potential grad transfers that will be in play for Illinois if they enter, specifically one. It could cause Harmon to get pushed out, but if they have a chance to go after this guy they will
Also, there will be a couple of potential grad transfers that will be in play for Illinois if they enter, specifically one. It could cause Harmon to get pushed out, but if they have a chance to go after this guy they will
Are you referring to the Guy from Kentucky?.
I get the logic of calculating those three points but I am not sure how that will actually be because but it seems like most of the NIL money comes from a smaller number of wealthy donors and a few posts above Indy mentioned that Baylor is directing most of its NIL towards football and we have more basketball money so that means #3 is in our favor hereOur fans have a "guarded" habit of selling the Illini - and especially our potential - short. I am not sure if it's just a total habit at this point or it is a defense mechanism against disappointment ... but it is very misplaced. Your NIL capabilities are directly tied to three things:
1. How many fans you have (especially how many alumni you have, as they are at least theoretically more likely to give).
2. How much money those fans that are willing to gave actually have to give.
3. How much money from #2 is directed toward the specific sport in question compared to other sports (i.e., on which sports your donors are spending their money).
1. Regarding the number of fans, clear advantage Illinois and it is not close. Baylor has 136,500 living alumni compared to 450,000 for Illinois (Champaign only). I will be extra conservative and assume none of the UIS or UIC alumni are Illini fans (which would bring our total to over 800,000 living alumni). Additionally, Baylor is rather drowned out by the other state schools (especially Texas and Texas A&M) for competition for non-alumni fans outside of the Waco Area. While we would all like "Illini fever" among non-alum fans in our state to be better, we still have a LOT of people in Illinois who never went to U of I and just grew up Illini fans because it was "the state team" - an advantage Baylor does not have or at least has WAY less of one. Your evidence here is that I myself am a non-alum Illini fan who cheers for the orange and blue because it's our state's team.
2. This one is more difficult to gauge, but endowment is a decent starting point. Baylor might have a lot of wealthy alumni, but their endowment is $2.0 billion. Illinois' 2021 endowment was nearly double that at $3.82 billion. Again, this is not a perfect metric for giving to NIL funds, but it DOES speak to a basic "funds available" amount for each university and starts going down the right track. Another imperfect but interesting comparison is about the same for both schools - Baylor reports its average graduate salary at $74,786 and Illinois reports its at $74,974. Either way, a lot of this is "behind closed doors," but I would argue we have seen it demonstrated rather clearly that when push comes to shove (ponying up for Underwood, ponying up for a counter-offer for Orlando/Chin, beating out the field for Shannon and Mayer, reportedly offering Kofi six figures to stay, having comparatively huge salaries ready for both Lovie and Bielema, etc.), Josh Whitman seems to have a very deep war chest of donor money to use that goes well beyond the published athletic revenues.
3. On this one, though I actually wish this weren't the case, can anyone really argue that Illini donors would shift disproportionately more of their money toward basketball rather than football when compared to Baylor donors?
I don't see why any Illini fan would assume we do not have as much or more money than MOST programs, let alone Baylor. That's not a knock on Baylor, it's just realizing that Illinois is pretty big time itself.
Your aside in #2 is actually the most predictive, the actual money spent by the two schools on basketball! In your free time, could you look that up? Please and thank you
For what little it's worth, according to On3, Baylor's top NIL deals are not too crazy: https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-100/?team-key=2122
Can hardly wait…hope it’s all good on our front.
Thanks for this update! But what I meant was what is the deadline for RayJ to announce where he will be going?
No. Just had to withdraw for the draft (which he already did). He will have a watchful eye over what goes on tomorrow-then will go into decision mode from there
Toss up. Purdue has been really quiet about that
If they are good enough to start/get minutes, they will.
Not sure what Zach can prove in college. Tired of playing against him. The only B10 center who could challenge Kofi.
Also difficult to pay him due to Canadian citizenship. How did Illinois pay the Browns?
www.sportskeeda.com
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Also difficult to pay him due to Canadian citizenship. How did Illinois pay the Browns?
What are the details of Zach Edey's NIL deal with Purdue collective Boilermaker Alliance?
The college sports landscape has changed significantly since the introduction of NIL deals.
www.sportskeeda.com
Zach Edey made a smart move — he can't go wrong — but there's no easy answer
He’s unlikely to improve his draft projection (second-round pick), so why stay? But he makes good NIL money and has unfinished business.
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