As a Bulls and College Bball fan this is a win-win.Bucks interviewed Sampson. Gross.
As a Bulls and College Bball fan this is a win-win.Bucks interviewed Sampson. Gross.
Oh, sure, but *I'M* the negative, doom and gloom poster
based on salary we should be higher than 80th percentile with results. Brad hasn't ever made it to the S16. So I think everyone understands why the seat would be warm/hot next year.If Brad's seat were to get boiling I think we run into an issue many teams do. Brad brought us back but right now it seems like we have plateaued. Hypothetically, if we say Brad is an 80th percentile coach, what are the odds you replace him with an improvement?
Phil Fulmer comes to mind. It really sucked being a top 20 football team every year and making good bowl games and winning division and conference championships (he did get one title) - and I know there were some issues. But this is one of many examples of teams trying to upgrade b/c they weren't winning titles. My goodness this whole flavor of the month thing is awful. It didn't take Underwood long to turn our awful program around and since the turn around we've been one of the best, if not the best team in our conference for the past 4 years. Sure we haven't got past the second round. But you have to remember the 3 teams that bounced us we either very experienced or very talented or both. And I'll give you all a different take. We had very little experience and chemistry on the team and we were still a top team in the conference, won 20 games, and got an 8 seed w/out any chemistry (plus had a couple players that were selfish). I might say that's tremendous coaching to get to those feats with what we had. 5 years ago I bet most of us would've jumped at conference titles, a 1 seed, NBA players, etc. Everyone needs to settle down. I don't want to start over and become bad like Tennessee did for a long time after firing Phil Fulmer. Now, if we start missing the tournament and finishing in the bottom half of the conference then let's consider a change. But we have at least 2 NBA picks in next year's draft on our roster with the potential for more moving forward (Rodgers comes to mind, haven't seen Hansberry, but hear good things). And we will have a lot more chemistry and experience.If Brad's seat were to get boiling I think we run into an issue many teams do. Brad brought us back but right now it seems like we have plateaued. Hypothetically, if we say Brad is an 80th percentile coach, what are the odds you replace him with an improvement?
I'm not calling for BU's head. He has given us 3 or 4 really solid years. I am starting to have doubts though about whether his best years are behind him or in front of him. But either way, you and I agree that he shouldn't be on the hot seat right now.Matt Painter comes to mind. I'd love to be in Purdue's shoes where we keep a quality coach for a long time and are very competitive. Do I want a title? Of course! And maybe we get one.
We continue to recruit well and we want high character talented guys. Stop the grass is always greener mantra. Go Illini!
I do agree with most of what you're saying. I'd love to win 10 titles, but the fact is it's really really difficult to win one title. And just a handful of years is hardly enough time to determine if the coach is great or will be great. So far, in my opinion, for what he's done in a short period of time he's been great. Now let's look and see what he does over the next 6. Go Illini, my friend!I'm not calling for BU's head. He has given us 3 or 4 really solid years. I am starting to have doubts though about whether his best years are behind him or in front of him. But either way, you and I agree that he shouldn't be on the hot seat right now.
But why settle for a Painter-like tenure? Why not Izzo, Matta, Belein, Ryan - like. I totally understand the security of having a coach like Painter. But we've sniffed greatness as a program before. We should be on a relentless pursuit to get back there.
Phil Fulmer comes to mind. It really sucked being a top 20 football team every year and making good bowl games and winning division and conference championships (he did get one title) - and I know there were some issues. But this is one of many examples of teams trying to upgrade b/c they weren't winning titles. My goodness this whole flavor of the month thing is awful. It didn't take Underwood long to turn our awful program around and since the turn around we've been one of the best, if not the best team in our conference for the past 4 years. Sure we haven't got past the second round. But you have to remember the 3 teams that bounced us we either very experienced or very talented or both. And I'll give you all a different take. We had very little experience and chemistry on the team and we were still a top team in the conference, won 20 games, and got an 8 seed w/out any chemistry (plus had a couple players that were selfish). I might say that's tremendous coaching to get to those feats with what we had. 5 years ago I bet most of us would've jumped at conference titles, a 1 seed, NBA players, etc. Everyone needs to settle down. I don't want to start over and become bad like Tennessee did for a long time after firing Phil Fulmer. Now, if we start missing the tournament and finishing in the bottom half of the conference then let's consider a change. But we have at least 2 NBA picks in next year's draft on our roster with the potential for more moving forward (Rodgers comes to mind, haven't seen Hansberry, but hear good things). And we will have a lot more chemistry and experience.
Matt Painter comes to mind. I'd love to be in Purdue's shoes where we keep a quality coach for a long time and are very competitive. Do I want a title? Of course! And maybe we get one.
We continue to recruit well and we want high character talented guys. Stop the grass is always greener mantra. Go Illini!
At this point, i'd love to have a Painter like tenureI'm not calling for BU's head. He has given us 3 or 4 really solid years. I am starting to have doubts though about whether his best years are behind him or in front of him. But either way, you and I agree that he shouldn't be on the hot seat right now.
But why settle for a Painter-like tenure? Why not Izzo, Matta, Belein, Ryan - like. I totally understand the security of having a coach like Painter. But we've sniffed greatness as a program before. We should be on a relentless pursuit to get back there.
Damn it feels good to be back in the best thread on Loyalty
I hear what you’re saying… and I’m not in the “fire Brad” camp by a long shot… but I don’t think anyone is saying “championship or bust”, but more “Sweet 16 or bust”… expecting any coach to deliver a championship is the highest of high bars. Expecting a top-ten-paid coach to make a Sweet 16 somewhere in years 5 through 7 is just not remotely the same.Phil Fulmer comes to mind. It really sucked being a top 20 football team every year and making good bowl games and winning division and conference championships (he did get one title) - and I know there were some issues. But this is one of many examples of teams trying to upgrade b/c they weren't winning titles. My goodness this whole flavor of the month thing is awful. It didn't take Underwood long to turn our awful program around and since the turn around we've been one of the best, if not the best team in our conference for the past 4 years. Sure we haven't got past the second round. But you have to remember the 3 teams that bounced us we either very experienced or very talented or both. And I'll give you all a different take. We had very little experience and chemistry on the team and we were still a top team in the conference, won 20 games, and got an 8 seed w/out any chemistry (plus had a couple players that were selfish). I might say that's tremendous coaching to get to those feats with what we had. 5 years ago I bet most of us would've jumped at conference titles, a 1 seed, NBA players, etc. Everyone needs to settle down. I don't want to start over and become bad like Tennessee did for a long time after firing Phil Fulmer. Now, if we start missing the tournament and finishing in the bottom half of the conference then let's consider a change. But we have at least 2 NBA picks in next year's draft on our roster with the potential for more moving forward (Rodgers comes to mind, haven't seen Hansberry, but hear good things). And we will have a lot more chemistry and experience.
Matt Painter comes to mind. I'd love to be in Purdue's shoes where we keep a quality coach for a long time and are very competitive. Do I want a title? Of course! And maybe we get one.
We continue to recruit well and we want high character talented guys. Stop the grass is always greener mantra. Go Illini!
Time my friend. It takes time. We were the bottom of the league when he took over not that long ago. Give it a little time. We've been pretty darn good the past 4 years. Things are trending up. Appreciate your response. Go Illini!I hear what you’re saying… and I’m not in the “fire Brad” camp by a long shot… but I don’t think anyone is saying “championship or bust”, but more “Sweet 16 or bust”… expecting any coach to deliver a championship is the highest of high bars. Expecting a top-ten-paid coach to make a Sweet 16 somewhere in years 5 through 7 is just not remotely the same.
You are a patient man. This will be Underwood's 7th season. He's had 2 AAs, they were on the same team together, and still no 2nd weekend. Chris Beard took Texas Tech to the Elite 8 in season 2, Sean Miller took Arizona to the Elite 8 in year 2, Jerome Tang took Kansas State to the Elite 8 in year 1. These are just the first three guys that jump to mind, I'm sure with some research I could find many more.Time my friend. It takes time. We were the bottom of the league when he took over not that long ago. Give it a little time. We've been pretty darn good the past 4 years. Things are trending up. Appreciate your response. Go Illini!
Technically things are trending down from where they were 2-3 years agoTime my friend. It takes time. We were the bottom of the league when he took over not that long ago. Give it a little time. We've been pretty darn good the past 4 years. Things are trending up. Appreciate your response. Go Illini!
Goes back to my argument about the grass is always greener and flavor of the month. What program trends up every year? I'd like to know that answer. We are so much better off under Underwood than we have been since Self. Anyone who argues different doesn't understand. It's impossible to trend up every year. If you were told we'd have a team last year that had so many limited minutes at the college level, best players being transfers, no chemistry, Goode hurt and we'd win 20 games if you're being honest with yourself you'd take it in a heart beat. I've seen our coach handle a lot of different situations: inheriting a bad team, cleaning house, a lot of injuries, the transfer portal becoming a thing, COVID, etc. And while here he has conference titles, 4 NCAA tournament appearances, NBA players, etc. it's pretty impressive.Technically things are trending down from where they were 2-3 years ago