Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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sacraig

The desert
I would obviously like a real PG for this year's team, but I guess my uneducated view is that, while lack of an experienced PG was a problem last year, our bigger problem was that we had zero chemistry brought on, in large part, by our two inexperienced PGs. So I guess it isn't entirely clear to me which was the bigger problem. If we basically have the same lack of true PG but better chemistry, maybe it's not so hopeless.
 
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IMO, the NCAA tournament is overrated. The team that wins isn't necessarily the best in the country that year. They just won the tournament. That's why they call them Cinderella!
Lol they dont call the team that wins the tournament Cinderella. They call the team or teams that are seeded high that make deep runs or pull an upset cinderella. Lol
 
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The best basketball team in the world has a 7 foot tall Serbian dude running point.

I’m not saying we have a unique dude like joker, but basketball strategy doesn’t always have to conform to the neat little boxes to be effective.

We’ve got really good talent up and down the roster. Might take a minute to figure out how best to leverage it on offense, but we are going to be really difficult to score against.
 
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The best basketball team in the world has a 7 foot tall Serbian dude running point.

That Jamal Murray guy is pretty good.

Seriously though, we aren't exactly dead in the water like some are claiming. I know its been said, but who were the star PGs in the Final Four this year?

Butler? Ok he's pretty good but 9pts 3ast avg and 1.6:1 a/to. Not awe inspiring and surely we can get that same kind of production.

Newton? Looks like a similar player to Williams.

I dont think the other 2 teams (FAU, Miami) even had anyone average 3 apg. Oh wait, I beg your pardon? Miami's SHOOTING GUARD led the team in assists??? GASP.

If anything, this past college season showed us the opposite of what many have been saying. A top PG is not a necessity to win basketball games.

And all of this is really moot as it seems we're still hunting for that big time PG everyone wants.
 
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I know most don’t care, but count me in the camp that is happier with this outcome of no Ray J. I do not fault the kid at all for looking out for himself, but after the Utah stuff I just got the feeling he isn’t in it for team. I’m probably wrong, but that is just me.
I like BU and hope he stays a long time, it is nice to look at the menu, but we can’t lose focus of what we do have. I’m surprised he put all his eggs in the Ray J basket and for a guy who really needs a second weekend, you can’t get left empty handed. The players have a lot of power, but you can’t let them run the asylum.

We need a point no question, we need shooters, but we were also 3rd in the B1G in ppg last year, our defense sucked last year. I think we’ve upgraded there.
was actually the opposite, our defense was much better than our offense
 
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skyIdub

Winged Warrior
Good lord...it's nice outside. Step away from your electronic devices.

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#308      

Ryllini

Lombard
was actually the opposite, our defense was much better than our offense
3rd in offensive points per, .5 behind Indiana for second and 6th in the conference points against. Offense wasn't pretty, I'm not a fool, but to sit here and say we couldn't score is ludicrous. We get most any shot we want, just not always the guy we want shooting it or timing of shot.
 
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3rd in offensive points per, .5 behind Indiana for second and 6th in the conference points against. Offense wasn't pretty, I'm not a fool, but to sit here and say we couldn't score is ludicrous. We get most any shot we want, just not always the guy we want shooting it or timing of shot.
Do you not understand that when a team plays at a faster pace they both score and give up more points and that is not related to their quality of play? We were the fastest team in the league last year.
 
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Ryllini

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Do you not understand that when a team plays at a faster pace they both score and give up more points and that is not related to their quality of play? We were the fastest team in the league last year.
No, tell me more. I remember distinctly Brad saying something about our defense last year and it not being good, especially from mid February on. Also, we weren't even close to being a fast paced team last year. I think we were somewhere near 100 in possessions per last year. Our defense got cooked last year and by no means am I saying our offense was awesome, I'm just saying we can and have been able to score. A true unselfish facilitator would be even more awesome.
 
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Put me in this camp, he’s going to be big for us
Agreed. He’ll shoot better now that he wont have the other teams best, or even 2nd best defender on him.

Also, after reading that last year called plays wouldn't get initiated, it makes more sense we didn't run more set pieces to get Goode open looks. With how bad our shooting was last year, it never made sense to me that we didnt run something to get him 4-5 open looks a game. Or maybe that wasnt never called. If not, it should have been.
 
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To play devils advocate he isn’t here to score.
Our lead guard does not have to be a score first guy, and maybe he brings some more playmaking / pass ability (though I’m skeptical post injury) and solid defense, but it sure is unideal for your point guard to be a non-threat from 3 or midrange jumper running offense with pick n rolls. Team will sag on him and dare him to shoot. They did not fill the necessary gap at lead guard in my view
 
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I would obviously like a real PG for this year's team, but I guess my uneducated view is that, while lack of an experienced PG was a problem last year, our bigger problem was that we had zero chemistry brought on, in large part, by our two inexperienced PGs. So I guess it isn't entirely clear to me which was the bigger problem. If we basically have the same lack of true PG but better chemistry, maybe it's not so hopeless.
Disagree with this. Our biggest single issue last season was we did not have a point guard to get us into and run offense. Brad said a million times that we just didn’t run things offensively in games despite talking about it pre game. It is why our offense frequently ended up being Coleman taking fadeaway jumpers off the bounce and a sub 60 ranked offense on KenPom. Point guard and shooting was the other big issue, but the shooting would improve with a true point guard running offense getting guys better looks
 
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That Jamal Murray guy is pretty good.

Seriously though, we aren't exactly dead in the water like some are claiming. I know its been said, but who were the star PGs in the Final Four this year?

Butler? Ok he's pretty good but 9pts 3ast avg and 1.6:1 a/to. Not awe inspiring and surely we can get that same kind of production.

Newton? Looks like a similar player to Williams.

I dont think the other 2 teams (FAU, Miami) even had anyone average 3 apg. Oh wait, I beg your pardon? Miami's SHOOTING GUARD led the team in assists??? GASP.

If anything, this past college season showed us the opposite of what many have been saying. A top PG is not a necessity to win basketball games.

And all of this is really moot as it seems we're still hunting for that big time PG everyone wants.
We don't need a top PG or elite PG. But a decent one or better play from that spot sure helps a lot.
We had high TO%, low Assist rate, abysmal 3 point %, and were 68th overall in Off in country.
 
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Also, IIRC, before Reeves went to Kentucky and was brought up as a potential Illini target, didn't one of our insiders say that Underwood wasn't interested because Reeves couldn't play defense? In essence, he'd give up more points than he would score.

Maybe I'm misremembering though.
Well some say Podz can't play D and is not athletic but yet he has a 39.5 vertical and is likely to go in the first round. Do you think his vertical and athleticism got better after leaving Fletch? I don't. I think most have zero clue what the measurables are for guys are or have seen many practices at U of I or ISU. Most hear subjective opinions. Some things you can measure. Like a 39.5 inch vertical and hitting shots like Reeves in the SEC. Just one reason why the NBA has the combine.
 
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HE CAN DEFINTELY SHOOT. quickness leaves a lot to be desired. we can be dogs on defense, he cannot.
I think you're underestimating his athleticism because he's white. I think he's a more sudden athlete than RayJ.

From what I saw in the NIT. He's a big guard that can do a bit of everything. He may not be amazing defensively but he's got good size and length for the position.
 
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This forum is madness. The constant we need a point guard, I saw the offense last year and it was !!!! because we didn't have a point guard. All these comments are letting the coaching staff off the hook. While I think a point guard is a small part of it maybe the offense that the coaching staff has installed is just not any good. RayJ probably would have been a decent player for the Illini but we point need a point guard who can score just get everyone lined up, leave the bulk of the scoring to TJ and Coleman. It isn't about the talent so much as it is chemistry.
 
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I feel like the narrative shifted really quickly from we really need a point guard to “don’t worry Williams is just a depth piece more help is on the way!” to Williams can totally be our starting PG/PG’s don’t actually matter that much lol.

I’ll go back to enjoying the weather though lol.
 
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Agreed. He’ll shoot better now that he wont have the other teams best, or even 2nd best defender on him.

Also, after reading that last year called plays wouldn't get initiated, it makes more sense we didn't run more set pieces to get Goode open looks. With how bad our shooting was last year, it never made sense to me that we didnt run something to get him 4-5 open looks a game. Or maybe that wasnt never called. If not, it should have been.
Well, Luke was injured and in a walking boot most of the season, so makes sense there weren't all that many plays called up for him. That said, it was pretty clear last year that even if he was healthy, the Illini on the floor were almost incapable of running set plays as several players were playing for the name on the back of the jersey than the name on the front.
 
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Disagree. Personally, it would take the team getting to the Elite 8 w/o a reg season title to equal a season in which we win the BT reg season title but progress only one or two games in the tourney.

We all have our utility curves. Yours differs from mine and I'm not gonna judge you for that. Winning the conference over a 20 game slate is one he!! of an accomplishment, much more so, IMHO, than finishing in the top 5 in the BT and getting to the Sweet 16.

'Cause I'm an old-fashioned guy who sees (and values) the character required to best competition consistently over a long period.

But that's just me. I'm cursed with a long attention span. YMMV.

Or maybe you're a guy who doesn't understand how much impact the schedule has on who wins the regular season conference championship now.

Because, you know, it's not 1989 anymore.
 
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How about we stop giving scholarships to players that have no business ever seeing the floor? I don’t think the number of scholarships will ever keep us from recruiting but I don’t see the benefit of adding some of these obscure European kids when there’s always a chance of getting a mid year recruit these days.
Uh. A lot of European kids are really really good basketball players. I don't know how you missed that the current best player in the world is a chubby 6'11 Serbian guy.

Look at the Wagner's at Michigan, Tubelis or Markkanen for Zona, Vescovi is south American but same principle. Even Giorgi was a pretty good college player. Morettis older brother, Davide, was also a very good player at Texas Tech.

I don't think you realize how special of a player Niccolo might be if he gets stronger and is anything like his brother. You're talking about a good passing guard that is capable of leading the country in 3 pt shooting.
 
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