Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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I don’t understand the excitement around Johnson. He is a freshman shooting guard rated in the top 100. Sounds a lot like Jayden Epps at point last year…
Is there excitement? If so, I missed it. I do think there is interest in a combo guard that picked KU over the likes of Bama, Arkansas, and UConn.
 
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could somebody remind me why we recruited Moretti?
Based on the videos I looked at, he is a highly skilled point guard prospect. He can handle, pass, shoot, and has good court awareness.

The downside is he was about the same height and weight as the kid from Moline that Iowa signed after we offered late -- about 6'1" 150.

The thinking was he would enroll early and work with Adam Fletcher and nutritionist Palmer Johnson. As of a few months ago he was up to 160 and the plan was to continue the program Into the off-season.
 
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Based on the videos I looked at, he is a highly skilled point guard prospect. He can handle, pass, shoot, and has good court awareness.

The downside is he was about the same height and weight as the kid from Moline that Iowa signed after we offered late -- about 6'1" 150.

The thinking was he would enroll early and work with Adam Fletcher and nutritionist Palmer Johnson. As of a few months ago he was up to 160 and the plan was to continue the program Into the off-season.
Good assessment and comparison to the Harding kid. Not sure that fits the profile that BU wants, but that type of player has value at this level.
 
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I think what some don't understand is that a PG is a mindset. Just being short is not a PG. Yes there are skills associated with PG play like ballhandling and passing, but court awareness, actually wanting to find your teammate, taking joy in the assist, knowing how to set guys up to get good looks, that's PG play.

The reason Epps struggled, in my opinion, is because he had a scoring mindset. He didn't want to set anyone else up. He wanted to get to the rim. He wanted to take the shot. That is a recipe for a bad offense.

So when you look at someone like DGL, he strikes me more as a guy who wants to score than facilitate. I know nothing about that Chris Johnson, but that's the question you'd need to ask. You can be a scoring PG, but you have to have that mindset of setting up your teammates, facilitating the offense, using your drive to break down the defense and find the open man to be a real PG. That's why a PG is so important, they set everyone else up. Another guy looking to score with the ball leads to too much one on one crap.
 
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Lol. Fair enough.
I am cautious on this board.
It is highly moderated.
I enjoy the BB discussion which is mostly pretty insightful.
I’m generally drawn to absurdities (mild or major) and am compelled to comment accordingly. Like the poster who asked if any industry has ever had to adjust to a combination like the transfer portal AND NIL…. my first thought was “the sudden freedom of a group of people that must now be paid for their labor? Yeah, we had that happen at least once in this country.” 😂
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
I’m generally drawn to absurdities (mild or major) and am compelled to comment accordingly. Like the poster who asked if any industry has ever had to adjust to a combination like the transfer portal AND NIL…. my first thought was “the sudden freedom of a group of people that must now be paid for their labor? Yeah, we had that happen at least once in this country.” 😂
Love it. Although, TBF, the athletes have always been paid, just not (over the table, at least) in cash until recently.
 
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I refuse to believe that you just drew that conclusion by identifying ONE common thing about the two players. First of all, Jayden Epps was the best player on the floor for us in multiple games last year, he just didn’t keep it up all year. Second, why would you not stop and consider all of the other variables about Chris Johnson? Skill set, background, coachability, basketball IQ, etc. before just saying “well he was ranked similarly at the same position of this other guy.”

Sorry to single you out, I know you were just making a general comment, but I am baffled by the amount of comments I'm seeing that are so illogical. If I went through and responded to each of them simply by stating the logical fallacy they’re guilty of, each thread would nearly double,
I don’t think it’s a logical fallacy to say that a freshman shooting guard should not be our starting point guard next season. Everyone agrees that we need a PG for next year. I’m sorry, but I don’t think Chris Johnson is the right fit for that role.
 
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Can someone more familiar with BU’s offense at SFA answer this: in the “position-less offense” that we heard so much about, was there still a PG running the show? Or is there a world where we succeed by putting 5 athletes on the floor?
 
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I refuse to believe that you just drew that conclusion by identifying ONE common thing about the two players. First of all, Jayden Epps was the best player on the floor for us in multiple games last year, he just didn’t keep it up all year. Second, why would you not stop and consider all of the other variables about Chris Johnson? Skill set, background, coachability, basketball IQ, etc. before just saying “well he was ranked similarly at the same position of this other guy.”

Sorry to single you out, I know you were just making a general comment, but I am baffled by the amount of comments I'm seeing that are so illogical. If I went through and responded to each of them simply by stating the logical fallacy they’re guilty of, each thread would nearly double,
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Funny how people were calling Epps the next frank mason , now fans are saying Harmon will be a upgrade lol, Epps would avg 30 at Utah valley
 
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Tacomallini

Washington State
could somebody remind me why we recruited Moretti? seems like Alexander miscalulated (not saying Underwood is blameless)

we're not gonna land all of our targets. I have no issue with taking the Achilles guard. but now we're in a bit of a jam. pretty unsure about Johnson being a capable PG. probly moot, cause I don't think he's coming here. love DGL's potential, but I'll be pretty surprised if he's ready

really like our pieces, but point is our Achilles heel (file under penetrating observations)
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Can someone more familiar with BU’s offense at SFA answer this: in the “position-less offense” that we heard so much about, was there still a PG running the show? Or is there a world where we succeed by putting 5 athletes on the floor?
Trey Pinkney was Brad's PG all three years he was at SFA. He was a defensive minded, offensively limited PG. That said it was just a 3 year stretch for him at SFA so hard to say where it would have gone had Brad stayed longer, but it looks like he brought in a freshman PG in Aaron Augustin his final season, so seems like he was planning to continue rolling out a PG.
 
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There has to be info we are not aware:
Hawkins wouldn’t come back without an experienced PG
Spending the last scholarship on an injured player requiring transfer approval
Two PG’s on roster that are not possibilities to start

Doesn’t seem to make any sense from my perspective and I know our staff is not stupid so there must be another addition or there is great potential from a player already on the roster. Not paid to worry about it so will leave it to those who are being paid very well.
Also talk on loyalty of creaning a PG to bring in another shooting guard. Brilliant idea!
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
Can someone more familiar with BU’s offense at SFA answer this: in the “position-less offense” that we heard so much about, was there still a PG running the show? Or is there a world where we succeed by putting 5 athletes on the floor?
To me my personal opinion and understanding is that his position less offense was basically the Flying Illinois offense. A point guard to start the offense then it was movement to find open spots or drive to the rim. I personally believe without a real big like Kofi that a PG just needs to be able to bring the ball up court then get the motion started. He does need the ability to drive, pull up and shoot and pass to open players. Skyy and Jayden were more worried about their own shot and numbers.
 
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To me my personal opinion and understanding is that his position less offense was basically the Flying Illinois offense. A point guard to start the offense then it was movement to find open spots or drive to the rim. I personally believe without a real big like Kofi that a PG just needs to be able to bring the ball up court then get the motion started. He does need the ability to drive, pull up and shoot and pass to open players. Skyy and Jayden were more worried about their own shot and numbers.
A healthy , available Williams fills the role. Do we have one.
 
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Big Jack

Decatur
A healthy , available Williams fills the role. Do we have one.
Good question. Maybe out of necessity we took JWill I do not believe that we would take him if Fletcher didn't believe he was gonna be full strengths by season opener
 
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I don’t understand the excitement around Johnson. He is a freshman shooting guard rated in the top 100. Sounds a lot like Jayden Epps at point last year…
He’d be a better PG than Epps. Epps is a better shooter but Johnson is much better at creating opportunities, he’s bigger, stronger, can get in the lane. He averaged almost as many assts and Pts for Monteverdi if that tells you anything

 
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