What makes you think boosters will commit to the same funds in this case?
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What makes you think boosters will commit to the same funds in this case?
Bigtex
- DFW
Way behind on my Illini reading but with MSU starting guards returning - fears playing time could be limited. I am shocked that this might happen somewhere other than at Illinois
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
- Miracle Mile
No, and no.
I don't completely disagree with your comment, but if we are potentially talking about recruiting over (and forcing out) Moretti, DGL or Harmon - 3 players who were recruited during this cycle and have yet to put on the uniform - I would think that hardly seems "fair".
Recruiting over players that have had a chance to develop and are found lacking is one thing - but offering a scholarship, getting someone on campus and then telling them to leave befor the next season is another.
Bigtex
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My frustration with 22/23 was the lack of player movement on offense which in turn resulted in horrible offensive possessions. Grant it there wasn’t a PG on the floor but the entire team needs to run an offense.
Hopefully they weren’t running the offense. But didn’t see players getting an earful unless you were Epps.
Because we’ll get one open …
If Johnson wants to be here … We’ll make room …
Then can we at least coin the new term "clarking"?
drsmitty74
- Rochester
Does he want to be here? Does TA have a relationship? You guys(insiders) have all alluded to the fact that we are not done, and that TA was involved. Was this the one tou were hinting at, or, is there yet a name we have not been given clues to?
This is essentially how Crean got a bad name for this. In the post-Sampson craziness he had 7 new guys signed to start in November and then signed 7 in the early period meaning that 1 of the 7 guys who hadn't yet played a game knew that he wasn't going to be around the following year.
I am sure they have several options they are looking at.
Are they really still looking at Johnson and others?
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
There has to be info we are not aware:
Hawkins wouldn’t come back without an experienced PG
Spending the last scholarship on an injured player requiring transfer approval
Two PG’s on roster that are not possibilities to start
Doesn’t seem to make any sense from my perspective and I know our staff is not stupid so there must be another addition or there is great potential from a player already on the roster. Not paid to worry about it so will leave it to those who are being paid very well.
Hawkins wouldn’t come back without an experienced PG
Spending the last scholarship on an injured player requiring transfer approval
Two PG’s on roster that are not possibilities to start
Doesn’t seem to make any sense from my perspective and I know our staff is not stupid so there must be another addition or there is great potential from a player already on the roster. Not paid to worry about it so will leave it to those who are being paid very well.
That was a different age. It is now the wild, wild west, every man for himself era of one season at a time.
If you're talking about Harmon when you said he and Williams have 2-3 years left, that's not correct. Harmon played 2 years at a JUCO. He was a 1:1 A/TO ratio in JUCO too.
If you look at our roster, we're really in a bit of a recruiting mess. Not to pick on the kid, but I did not understand the Moretti commitment. Granted I only saw limited video, but he didn't look really close to Big Ten caliber to me. It reminded me of the Lieb offer. Loved Lieb's effort, but he was not Big Ten caliber. But you can't really force them to leave. Last year fans wanted Lieb's scholarship for a transfer, now we want Moretti's. Well why bring them in then, if you need a practice body, bring in a walkon.
So I've been thinking, Underwood typically plays 8-9 guys in his rotation. Our roster looks like:
1 - Williams, Harmon, Morretti
2 - Shannon, Goode, Sencire, DGL
3 - Rodgers, Domask
4 - Hawkins, Hansberry, Guerrier
5 - Dainja, Guerrier
So if you say the 1st 2 at each position play, then that leaves off Sencire. Doubt that happens. We really need another PG. Don't see how we can go into the season with what we have. So presumably, if that occurs, one of the guys not expected to play will leave and the new guy will be expected to play. So are we going to have a 10 or 11 man rotation? I somehow doubt it.
I was just about to ask this same question. I thought Shannon and Hawkins returning was contingent on landing an experienced pg? Other than the feedback they got back from the nba I thought this was the deal
Agree. This is the other side of the player benefit coin. Many are benefitting by being compensated but the less talented, less experienced players are getting squeezed out. If unlimited transfers continue, this practice will continue for better or worse.
Good reminder about Harmon. My mistake.
Yeah, roster construction is curious for sure.
I don't think we can count on Williams until he is cleared with a waiver and physically.
I agree Harris is also one of the odd men out if Williams can go, and especially if we get another high level guard in here.
I also agree we're only going to play 8 to 9 guys.
A lot of moving pieces still around the PG role.
These things are rarely as simple as they appear. Really hard to judge this one, especially with a foreign player involved. I assume that any accepted commitment still has contingencies, and if you think about it from the other side, a player can commit and then ask out of their commitment and it's virtually guaranteed that they can walk away.
My hope is that the communication is honest and forthright, but I'm not naive enough to think that's always the case. There's a fair amount of 'buyer beware' on both sides. There's too much pressure to win on the program side, and too much at stake with the player's careers on the other. Both sides have leverage --just depends on how skilled the athlete is who has more.
sacraig
- The desert
It’s a pipe dream but I keep looking at Isaiah Stevens’ stats over at CSU…
It's probably its a lot more complicated than that and I'd expect Sencire will at least get similar minutes to this year as a defensive sub but could earn more if he improves offensively.
Additionally the positions are a lot more flexible. Harmon is capable of playing the 1 and 2. Shannon the 2 and 3. All of Goode, Rodgers, and Domask are likely capable of playing 2-4. With Hawkins also capable of playing the 5 though supposedly he doesn't want to.
Bigtex
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Like our insiders, who thought Dennis was Illinois bound, I am sure Hawkins & Shannon were also planning on Dennis on the team
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