Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Williams seems like our PG next year combined with serviceable contributions from Ty and Sencire. The sooner we stop deluding ourselves with DGL and Moretti hopes at that position, the better.
I think “deluding” likely applies to Ty and Sencire playing PG as much as DGL. If Williams isn’t healthy enough, Harmon might be our least bad option there.

Ty, unless he makes a magical improvement in skills, is a PF. Just because he shows good court awareness doesn’t make him a PG. Not even close.
 
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If you're talking about Harmon when you said he and Williams have 2-3 years left, that's not correct. Harmon played 2 years at a JUCO. He was a 1:1 A/TO ratio in JUCO too.

If you look at our roster, we're really in a bit of a recruiting mess. Not to pick on the kid, but I did not understand the Moretti commitment. Granted I only saw limited video, but he didn't look really close to Big Ten caliber to me. It reminded me of the Lieb offer. Loved Lieb's effort, but he was not Big Ten caliber. But you can't really force them to leave. Last year fans wanted Lieb's scholarship for a transfer, now we want Moretti's. Well why bring them in then, if you need a practice body, bring in a walkon.
I wonder if some of these kids are told that they have the opportunity to earn minutes but worse case scenario they get access to state of the art facilities, s&c, practice against high D1 athletes, and will get support transferring to mid majors if the opportunity to play at Illinois doesn’t end up being feasible. I’d entertain that idea if I was a prospect without better offers.
 
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I think “deluding” likely applies to Ty and Sencire playing PG as much as DGL. If Williams isn’t healthy enough, Harmon might be our least bad option there.

Ty, unless he makes a magical improvement in skills, is a PF. Just because he shows good court awareness doesn’t make him a PG. Not even close.
Agree.
 
#180      
Even with Johnson, I am not convinced we are a 2nd weekend team, yet.

We are clearly in an experimental phase. Forced by circumstances, granted.
Oh I think they could be a second weekend team now.
The whole PG thing really is talking about getting beyond the S16 where you have to have enough leadership and organization out there to execute at end of shot clock and end of game situations.

Last year I did not think we could put two games of decent basketball on both sides of ball together. We couldn't put two halves together.

We should be much more consistent this year.
 
#183      
Because we’ll get one open …

If Johnson wants to be here … We’ll make room …
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#184      
I agree with all the PG talk but I think a lot of this also comes down to do our two returning stars play like stars. I know NBA draft doesn’t equate to NCAA success but with two guys that were around top 40 on the big board, on paper we should have 2 of the top 3 players on the court against nearly any non top 10 team. I’m not sure we felt that was the case consistently last year.

There’s consistent talk about how much depth we have. There’s consistent talk about how much improved chemistry we should have. So if we have depth, chemistry, and 2 first team big ten type players, there shouldn’t be an excuse right?
 
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Oh I think they could be a second weekend team now.
The whole PG thing really is talking about getting beyond the S16 where you have to have enough leadership and organization out there to execute at end of shot clock and end of game situations.

Last year I did not think we could put two games of decent basketball on both sides of ball together. We couldn't put two halves together.

We should be much more consistent this year.

So, where is this PG? The one we got is injured and in rehab (at best). He is NOT going to start practicing on Jun 12 (as far as I can tell).

We have a lot of talent. On paper. And, a lot of Boom gifs. The rest is all TBD.
 
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I agree with all the PG talk but I think a lot of this also comes down to do our two returning stars play like stars. I know NBA draft doesn’t equate to NCAA success but with two guys that were around top 40 on the big board, on paper we should have 2 of the top 3 players on the court against nearly any non top 10 team. I’m not sure we felt that was the case consistently last year.

There’s consistent talk about how much depth we have. There’s consistent talk about how much improved chemistry we should have. So if we have depth, chemistry, and 2 first team big ten type players, there shouldn’t be an excuse right?
One excuse is that lower draft position guys TJD and Edey killed us last year and Edey will be tough to beat this year too.
 
#189      
I think “deluding” likely applies to Ty and Sencire playing PG as much as DGL. If Williams isn’t healthy enough, Harmon might be our least bad option there.

Ty, unless he makes a magical improvement in skills, is a PF. Just because he shows good court awareness doesn’t make him a PG. Not even close.
Delude…. You’re being very undelude
 
#192      
So, where is this PG? The one we got is injured and in rehab (at best). He is NOT going to start practicing on Jun 12 (as far as I can tell).

We have a lot of talent. On paper. And, a lot of Boom gifs. The rest is all TBD.
Harmon is serviceable if that is what we end up with, and arguably an upgrade from Epps and Rodgers and Harris.
Also assuming they might actually run the plays staff called more often.

Not ideal and would prefer they bring in another guy but we will be good no matter what. I would think in upper division of BT and in 6/7 seed territory right now.
 
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Harmon is serviceable if that is what we end up with, and arguably an upgrade from Epps and Rodgers and Harris.
Also assuming they might actually run the plays staff called more often.

Not ideal and would prefer they bring in another guy but we will be good no matter what. I would think in upper division of BT and in 6/7 seed territory right now.

Ah.

"serviceable", "Not ideal", .........

I agree.

But, that is my def of only-1st-weekend.....
 
#196      
I don’t understand the excitement around Johnson. He is a freshman shooting guard rated in the top 100. Sounds a lot like Jayden Epps at point last year…
I refuse to believe that you just drew that conclusion by identifying ONE common thing about the two players. First of all, Jayden Epps was the best player on the floor for us in multiple games last year, he just didn’t keep it up all year. Second, why would you not stop and consider all of the other variables about Chris Johnson? Skill set, background, coachability, basketball IQ, etc. before just saying “well he was ranked similarly at the same position of this other guy.”

Sorry to single you out, I know you were just making a general comment, but I am baffled by the amount of comments I'm seeing that are so illogical. If I went through and responded to each of them simply by stating the logical fallacy they’re guilty of, each thread would nearly double,
 
#197      
I refuse to believe that you just drew that conclusion by identifying ONE common thing about the two players. First of all, Jayden Epps was the best player on the floor for us in multiple games last year, he just didn’t keep it up all year. Second, why would you not stop and consider all of the other variables about Chris Johnson? Skill set, background, coachability, basketball IQ, etc. before just saying “well he was ranked similarly at the same position of this other guy.”

Sorry to single you out, I know you were just making a general comment, but I am baffled by the amount of comments I'm seeing that are so illogical. If I went through and responded to each of them simply by stating the logical fallacy they’re guilty of, each thread would nearly double,
when was Epps the best player on the floor for us? When he constantly got abused on defense? Or when he occasionally had a decent offensive game? Sorry that part of your post is completely wrong
 
#198      
could somebody remind me why we recruited Moretti? seems like Alexander miscalulated (not saying Underwood is blameless)

we're not gonna land all of our targets. I have no issue with taking the Achilles guard. but now we're in a bit of a jam. pretty unsure about Johnson being a capable PG. probly moot, cause I don't think he's coming here. love DGL's potential, but I'll be pretty surprised if he's ready

really like our pieces, but point is our Achilles heel (file under penetrating observations)
 
#199      
Harmon is serviceable if that is what we end up with, and arguably an upgrade from Epps and Rodgers and Harris.
Also assuming they might actually run the plays staff called more often.

Not ideal and would prefer they bring in another guy but we will be good no matter what. I would think in upper division of BT and in 6/7 seed territory right now.
Username kinda sorta (maybe?) checks out.
 
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I refuse to believe that you just drew that conclusion by identifying ONE common thing about the two players. First of all, Jayden Epps was the best player on the floor for us in multiple games last year, he just didn’t keep it up all year. Second, why would you not stop and consider all of the other variables about Chris Johnson? Skill set, background, coachability, basketball IQ, etc. before just saying “well he was ranked similarly at the same position of this other guy.”

Sorry to single you out, I know you were just making a general comment, but I am baffled by the amount of comments I'm seeing that are so illogical. If I went through and responded to each of them simply by stating the logical fallacy they’re guilty of, each thread would nearly double,
I don't see his comment as illogical.

Apparently roster construction in our program is about winning now. How many more wins does a guy like Johnson give us? I'm inclined to think none.

Your other points about coachability, etc. Are good. So perhaps the OP would be excited if those were positive factors. Are they?

I get the sense that the excitement and willingness to boot a current player is more about his ranking and not his intangibles.
 
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