Illini Basketball 2023-2024

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#176      
Anyone been watching the NBA finals?

I've never been big on Kofi's NBA future but I kinda feel like he might be perfect for a specialist role on a contender where you just let him bang with Jokic.

Jokic is incredibly good but I feel like he has a huge advantage in that he's an actual big center and those basically don't exist in the NBA anymore.

Kofi isn't super quick and wouldn't fare well guarding the perimeter on most bigs but I feel like he's athletic enough to stay in front of Jokic and actually strong enough to do a decent job 1 on 1 so he can't kill you with passing.
Did you ever see Kofi come out on defense past the free throw line? Jokic shot 38% from 3-point range this year. (35% career). That's just the first issue...
 
#177      
On BU’s lack of postseason success, I recognize you’ve got to win games but I also don’t think it’s arguable that Loyola and Houston were both brutally tough draws in the round of 32 based on our seeding and their respective KenPom rankings. My question is if we had met either of those 2 teams in the sweet 16 (which is probably where we should have met them) and bowed out would that change the narrative at all? And if not I think we just need to acknowledge that the NCAAT is pretty much a crapshoot in this era of parity and so long as we keep making the tourney, we have as good a chance as being a lower seed that makes a run as any.

Last year was definitely a bit of a disappointment given the talent amassed but we still finished over .500 in the BIG, made the tourney, and had our 2 biggest non con wins in the BU era. Given what we lost our AA center and most of our core rotation pieces, hard to be disappointed too badly.

The thing I like about Brad is he learns and adjusts. I think he learned from last year and brought in experienced, bigger guys who can pass and shoot. RayJ was a big miss and May cap our ceiling, but I’m excited to see how our young guys progress and merge with our new vets.
The narrative, at least in my Illini mind, would change significantly if we had a Sweet 16 in either of those two seasons. I’ve been on the second weekend or bust mantra since Ayo and that sadly feels like ages ago. Brad is elite, we know diss.

Love all the other thoughts and outlook in here, Rockford.
 
#178      

Bigtex

DFW
He just got a pretty enormous one after last season.
like i said maybe I missed the extension this year.


following 2020, 2021, 2022 but nothing following 2023
 
#179      
like i said maybe I missed the extension this year.


following 2020, 2021, 2022 but nothing following 2023

Why would he get another extension after the season we just had?
 
#180      
Jokic would chew Kofi up and spit him out, c’mon lol
I mean probably but he is currently doing that to everyone.

I currently only see two ways to guard Jokic. You find an absurdly strong smaller guy that's way quicker than him and you deny him the ball.

Or you get someone that's just as big and strong as him and bang with him while not helping off shooters. Basically nobody has an centers big enough to do this anymore though. Steven Adams is probably the big that's done the best job on him and I don't think it's a coincidence that's hes big enough and strong enough to matchup 1 on 1.

There are probably better picks than Kofi but he's someone that's big enough and strong enough that came to mind. I'm not saying he's going to stop Jokic from getting his but could be a role to simply bang with him for 10 minutes or so and try to pick up some fouls, wear him down.
 
#182      

The Galloping Ghost

Washington, DC
#183      
On BU’s lack of postseason success, I recognize you’ve got to win games... The thing I like about Brad is he learns and adjusts.

When you watch any sport over the years you notice that some players rack up great stats during the season but seem to fade in the post-season. This also seems to be the case with some coaches as well.

I mentioned this last March after the Illini wash-out. De Paul had a great run of teams in the late ‘70s-early ‘80s period. Except for one season when they went deep into the tournament, they had chronic early wash-outs. Coach Meyer was a beloved grandfatherly figure in those days who piled up the regular-season wins but seemed unable to produce in the Dance. Talented teams going home way too early.

There has been an echo of this lately with the Illini. Coach Underwood is a sharper, more energetic coach than Meyer was then. But Brad has not been able to find the secret sauce to lead the Illini to tournament success. Some of that is solely on the players. But any coach would have to have a share as well.

Coach Underwood is a great asset to the Illini program who honors the great Illini tradition and is someone who knows how hungry the fan base is. This is the big challenge ahead of his at this point. It’s not just about winning another Big Ten title. It’s about carrying the program to the tournament success that everyone craves.

It will be interesting to see what the recent Dance showings of the Illini have taught him personally and professionally and what he does to get this program to the next level of tournament success.

This matters greatly to Illini Nation. And it matters to Coach and his personal legacy.
 
#185      
Another tourney projection, another 5 seed. And this time, it's by your favorite bracketologist to hate. Oh, and yup, no Michigan to be seen.
If anyone has Michigan in any sort of postseason tournament, even mentioning them, they need to never have another sports prediction of any kind.
 
#187      
Anyone been watching the NBA finals?

I've never been big on Kofi's NBA future but I kinda feel like he might be perfect for a specialist role on a contender where you just let him bang with Jokic.

Jokic is incredibly good but I feel like he has a huge advantage in that he's an actual big center and those basically don't exist in the NBA anymore.

Kofi isn't super quick and wouldn't fare well guarding the perimeter on most bigs but I feel like he's athletic enough to stay in front of Jokic and actually strong enough to do a decent job 1 on 1 so he can't kill you with passing.
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#188      
I love your math. I have been watching for the last 4-6 weeks waiting for a point guard for this team. I clearly missed that we already had up to 7 of them on the current roster. Why in the world have i been worried so much about who was running the point?

It would be nice to have a mature, polished point guard who could seamlessly step right in.

Meanwhile we have a well paid head coach and assistants who are skilled at developing and utilizing talent. We also have a top notch support staff.

Unless there are more roster changes, perhaps Fletcher and Johnson can put some good weight on Moretti and / or Gibbs-Lawhorn.

Maybe Williams will be healthy and eligible.

There's the point guard by committee option with various guys bringing the ball up and creating different looks. We also have guys with the size and skills to turn opponents' pressure into our transition opportunities.
 
#190      
No doubt about it-there needs to be one taken this year. Especially with all of the talent/experience that we got and is coming back
Absolutely. Especially considering everyone we’re losing after this year… Shannon, Hawkins, all the new fifth year guys. Gonna be starting over, and that’ll be a lot more painful if we suffer a first round exit…
 
#191      
But when do we take the next step?
Firm believer that the 2019-20 team would’ve made a run & ultimately losing out on that experience hurt us the following year. No excuse for the Loyola loss but they were factually severely underseeded based on all advanced metrics, in-state opponent & Ayo had his worst game of his career. Houston in 2022 was a terrible match up as well, another team extremely underseeded, a 5 seed that was a 1 or 2 & they proved it. Arkansas last year was one of the 16 most talented teams in the country…. now, to your point, we have yet to make that next step. Some of it was tough luck & draws but to be on that level that isn’t an excuse. I think this coming season if we don’t get to a second weekend then Brad is on the ultimate hot seat in 2024-25, I think he gets there. Chance on losing Morez would be dumb, he’s a lottery pick.
 
#192      
To measure a successful season, I think it's better to look at it from the opposite direction -- total losses including postseason.

10 or fewer losses = successful

That'd be 22-8 reg. season, above the threshold for many, but losses at some point in both tourneys.

21-9 with a tourney title is also pretty darn good

And 20-10 with 2 titles? Yes please! Of course it'd be 29 or 30 wins by the time the nets are cut down... Even 25-12 would be great as long as the last game's a W
Using wins and losses as a metric rewards weak schedules. I think that the NCAA seed, and/or a final, metric based, ranking are more appropriate. I'm not sure what metric system to advocate since you can end up quite high on KP by playing hard competition and losing every game by a few points.
 
#193      
We all know that Coach K, Self, and Calapari are all total underachievers because of the talent they have yet don't win the title that much percentage wise. What is it 5 for K, 2 for Self and is it 1 or 2 for Calapari? :)
 
#195      
So who was the chemistry issue?

Mayer, Epps, RJ
2 of them
All 3 of them.

Not including Lieb or Warden, Clark (things didn’t improve after he left) or Perrin.
Things were already running poorly in the chemistry department.

So, Skyy leaving was too little too late to change much.

It was definitely better, but time was needed.
 
#196      

Big Jack

Decatur
If we get the PG situation straightened out this team will be pretty darn good. It's time for me to pull out the orange kool-aid from the fridge.
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#198      
We all know that Coach K, Self, and Calapari are all total underachievers because of the talent they have yet don't win the title that much percentage wise. What is it 5 for K, 2 for Self and is it 1 or 2 for Calapari? :)

I understand that you're being facetious, but no one is suggesting that a reasonable bar for expectations is NCAA championships. Making the second weekend has been suggested, and just for comparison those three above have combined for 55 sweet 16's (26, 14 and 15 respectively). Brad making 1 would be nice.
 
#199      
When you watch any sport over the years you notice that some players rack up great stats during the season but seem to fade in the post-season. This also seems to be the case with some coaches as well.

I mentioned this last March after the Illini wash-out. De Paul had a great run of teams in the late ‘70s-early ‘80s period. Except for one season when they went deep into the tournament, they had chronic early wash-outs. Coach Meyer was a beloved grandfatherly figure in those days who piled up the regular-season wins but seemed unable to produce in the Dance. Talented teams going home way too early.

There has been an echo of this lately with the Illini. Coach Underwood is a sharper, more energetic coach than Meyer was then. But Brad has not been able to find the secret sauce to lead the Illini to tournament success. Some of that is solely on the players. But any coach would have to have a share as well.

Coach Underwood is a great asset to the Illini program who honors the great Illini tradition and is someone who knows how hungry the fan base is. This is the big challenge ahead of his at this point. It’s not just about winning another Big Ten title. It’s about carrying the program to the tournament success that everyone craves.

It will be interesting to see what the recent Dance showings of the Illini have taught him personally and professionally and what he does to get this program to the next level of tournament success.

This matters greatly to Illini Nation. And it matters to Coach and his personal legacy.
I shudder to think how many on the board would react if Rick Barnes were our coach. Top 5 paid guy with post season washouts the norm.
 
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