Pregame: Illinois vs Toledo, Saturday, September 2nd, 6:30pm CT, BTN

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mhuml32
UofToledoFans said:
And I'd bet the scheme and place to succeed at Illinois with current staff and players at DB will definitely surpass Toledo at some point this season or next. But game one with a new DC, and replacing safety (not to mention an injury to a veteran), and CB yall will be at a disadvantage September 2nd at that spot.
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UofToledoFans said:
Kuhl and Torres are bigger threats pass catching in their young stages than Illinois' TEs. You'll have to wait and see on that one. TE room always produces here, and we have put 2 of our last TEs in the NFL to show for it. Your podcast put the O/u at 400 yards and 4.5 TDs for the whole room this season... blocking is great, but if they're not a threat to score or be used in the red zone, I like our style with the TEs more.
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You can "hitch your wagon" to one of these beliefs, but not both. You can view this as either (a) our group has performed before and our experience/depth will win out over scheme or (b) our scheme allows folks in this position to flourish so I'm not worried about the experience.
 
#155      
GILL-INOIS
UofToledoFans said:
Scheduling by our last AD is finally materializing as we have Kentucky 3 more times, MSU (rescheduled covid year), and Maryland coming up along with Illinois this year.

When Illinois was scheduled this was an automatic win in my mind. Sucks that yall are respectable now. I want Indiana or NW to run over... They won't have us.
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Schedules are made way in advance so I get it. Teams aren't avoiding Toledo but it comes down to $$$ and your AD. Toledo is a very respectable MAC team but no Big Ten team is shaking in their boots about facing a MAC team or they might as well throw in the towel for the conference schedule.

I love watching college football any day of the week. MAC games are on all the time and catch a decent amount of them during the week. Last year for example Toledo faced Stony Brook, UMass and San Diego St. I saw you have San Jose St at home this year. There has been a Mountain West connection for awhile which is fine cause you never know what team will be decent years out. Get rid of the FCS games routinely like Stony Brook last season and Texas Southern this season. There are teams in conferences like AAC and Sun Belt that I watch just as much. Best thing conferences like AAC, Sun Belt and MAC could do is schedule a random matchup between them instead of adding FCS opponents and throw them on for 2-3 straight days leading up to Saturday.
 
#156      
UofToledoFans
mhuml32 said:
You can "hitch your wagon" to one of these beliefs, but not both. You can view this as either (a) our group has performed before and our experience/depth will win out over scheme or (b) our scheme allows folks in this position to flourish so I'm not worried about the experience.
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TEs is a question for both teams right? What are your guys numbers coming back? We have a few TDs coming back from a young room still but did graduate TE1. Illinois Inquirer dudes are the ones that put the O/u on 400 yards and 4.5 TDs for your room. Our O/u is probably 7.5 TDs for that room. And that hits most years for Candle.

We had 500 yards and 11 TDs from that room. 100 yards and 3 TDs are coming back to fight and fill in for lost production.

How many snaps do your DBs bring back? We have 2 and 3 full seasons of snaps at every DB spot but CB3 which is 7 starts I think.
 
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#157      
UofToledoFans
GILL-INOIS said:
Schedules are made way in advance so I get it. Teams aren't avoiding Toledo but it comes down to $$$ and your AD. Toledo is a very respectable MAC team but no Big Ten team is shaking in their boots about facing a MAC team or they might as well throw in the towel for the conference schedule.

I love watching college football any day of the week. MAC games are on all the time and catch a decent amount of them during the week. Last year for example Toledo faced Stony Brook, UMass and San Diego St. I saw you have San Jose St at home this year. There has been a Mountain West connection for awhile which is fine cause you never know what team will be decent years out. Get rid of the FCS games routinely like Stony Brook last season and Texas Southern this season. There are teams in conferences like AAC and Sun Belt that I watch just as much. Best thing conferences like AAC, Sun Belt and MAC could do is schedule a random matchup between them instead of adding FCS opponents and throw them on for 2-3 straight days leading up to Saturday.
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Last year was year 1 of the new AD. Wku and App State are doing home and homes soon. We played LIU not SB. But the new AD has an emphasis on HBCUs for cash games. So we switched Wagner for Texas Southern this off season.
 
#158      
mhuml32
UofToledoFans said:
TEs is a question for both teams right? What are your guys numbers coming back? We have a few TDs coming back from a young room still but did graduate TE1. Illinois Inquirer dudes are the ones that put the O/u on 400 yards and 4.5 TDs for your room. Our O/u is probably 7.5 TDs for that room. And that hits most years for Candle.
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This is where PFF's rating system is an effective tool. Toledo's scheme benefits tight end receiving stats but it also means they have more responsibility in the passing game. Illinois uses their TEs less for passing but leans on them a lot for the running game. Based on PFF's numbers, Illinois' returning tight ends have shown to be better (play-to-play) with what they're being asked than Toledo's.

Reiman is going to play in the NFL. His goal might be 25 catches, and 30 catches isn't unrealistic, but he's also a solid blocking TE. He can lift the Illinois running game in ways that Toledo's TEs either can't or aren't asked to do.
 
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Illini2010-11
UofToledoFans said:
When Illinois was scheduled this was an automatic win in my mind. Sucks that yall are respectable now. I want Indiana or NW to run over... They won't have us.
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This speaks volumes to the national perspective that Illinois football had been since the end of the Zook era. I am glad that cloud is, hopefully, officially over; but it is a sad state of affairs when fans from a mid to upper tier MAC team thinks it is an "automatic win" when scheduling a visit to Champaign. For that reason alone, I want Illini to absolutely run Toledo off the field for good measure.
 
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GILL-INOIS
UofToledoFans said:
Last year was year 1 of the new AD. Wku and App State are doing home and homes soon. We played LIU not SB. But the new AD has an emphasis on HBCUs for cash games. So we switched Wagner for Texas Southern this off season.
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Knew it was LIU but my fingers put SB.lol (Thought of Stony Brook once I listed UMass since they played last season)

Home and home is the only way to go for schools not in the P5 who want quality competition every year. Cash games happen at all levels....it pays the bills

I see Illinois taking the game over. I actually think Toledo vs San Jose St might be more comparable in talent this season when they play than vs Illinois. You should have a good scouting report on them since they have USC and Oregon St first two weeks.
 
#161      
altgeld88
UofToledoFans said:
That team was ranked, and ended up knocking off top 15 teams LSU and TAMU or Miss st? in that year. Ended the season winning a bowl game and finishing either 25th or 26th in the AP. They were expected and finished better than what this Illinois team is supposed. It's nothing more than a historical anecdote that no Toledo fan will let you forget. That's all.
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Ransom Stoddard said:
Not gonna lie, this is the weirdest flex I've ever seen.
And when you say "Now hardly any P5s have played us" I guess you're forgetting the !!!-whipping OSU gave you last year,
Also, please help me with my history--how many times has Toledo beaten Bielema for you to gauge that they have Bielema's number. And when did all this "giant killing" take place--That Arky win and Iowa State the same year are the only P5 wins I see in the last 10 years.
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lol the Sprockets hanging their hats on beating Michigan in 2008, with the venerable RichRod at the Wolverines' helm, probably the worst Michigan team in living memory. 3-9 and 10th in the conference that season. I mean, props, 'cause you guys finished at 3-9, too, that season. Miami (2-10), beat you 42-14 on your home field.

And perhaps someone can help me understand how wins v. Arkansas and Iowa State in 2015 have any relevance in 2023. It's nice that Toledo beat a Top-20 Arkansas team then. That and an inflated $2 will get me 12-hour-old, lukewarm coffee at the deli down the street.

Let's return to reality: two football teams in 2023 will play on Sept. 2 in MemStad. They each got votes in the Top 25 preseason. That indicates on a neutral field it should be a competitive game. We're not playing on a neutral field. Vegas has us at a touchdown + favorite. In the absence of my Ouija board I tend to favor the views of those who put their money on the line. We can discuss it further among ourselves. You seem intent on us taking your team seriously. I believe most of us do. I mean, Northwestern is no Toledo.

Am looking forward to an enjoyable game. Odds are that it will be a close one. Good for all concerned. We like debating with guests on our board but you gotta bring more than "Toledo's got Bielema's number." Or "We beat two P5 teams in 2015."

BTW, BB's got lots of numbers. Which one exactly does UT possess?
 
#162      
Fighter of the Nightman
Illini2010-11 said:
This speaks volumes to the national perspective that Illinois football had been since the end of the Zook era. I am glad that cloud is, hopefully, officially over; but it is a sad state of affairs when fans from a mid to upper tier MAC team thinks it is an "automatic win" when scheduling a visit to Champaign. For that reason alone, I want Illini to absolutely run Toledo off the field for good measure.
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Not sure Toledo should have expected to, say, waltz in here in the fall of 2021 or even 2019 and get an "automatic" win ... lol. But point taken, Bielema has transformed this program.
 
#163      
UofToledoFans
Illini2010-11 said:
This speaks volumes to the national perspective that Illinois football had been since the end of the Zook era. I am glad that cloud is, hopefully, officially over; but it is a sad state of affairs when fans from a mid to upper tier MAC team thinks it is an "automatic win" when scheduling a visit to Champaign. For that reason alone, I want Illini to absolutely run Toledo off the field for good measure.
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The fact that regardless of our record, success, bowl games, NFL players we are looked at as inferior... is why we want to run you off your field lol. This game would be TD on a neutral, and a 3 or 4 pt spread at the Glass Bowl. Gotta love early season hype.
 
#164      
skyIdub
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#165      
UofToledoFans
mhuml32 said:
This is where PFF's rating system is an effective tool. Toledo's scheme benefits tight end receiving stats but it also means they have more responsibility in the passing game. Illinois uses their TEs less for passing but leans on them a lot for the running game. Based on PFF's numbers, Illinois' returning tight ends have shown to be better (play-to-play) with what they're being asked than Toledo's.

Reiman is going to play in the NFL. His goal might be 25 catches, and 30 catches isn't unrealistic, but he's also a solid blocking TE. He can lift the Illinois running game in ways that Toledo's TEs either can't or aren't asked to do.
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That's fine. It's just odd to hear NFL talent from a room that only gets a few TDs. Our 15 TD TE coached by Discher could have been an awful blocking TE. I usually just pay attention to targets, yards and TDs. And I'd bet on more from our room than yours. That's all.
 
#166      
band camp
UofToledoFans said:
Toledo has Bielemas number. Actually 6-0 vs. the state of Arkansas all time. 1-0 vs. Michigan. 1-0 vs. Penn State as well. All points of pride for a "MAC" team.

Toledo was known as Giant killers for decades. Now hardly any P5s have played us. Notre Dame should have been on that trophy case. Gotta take a knee and a kick a fg... we've learned.
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"We"?
 
#167      
UofToledoFans
altgeld88 said:
lol the Sprockets hanging their hats on beating Michigan in 2008, with the venerable RichRod at the Wolverines' helm, probably the worst Michigan team in living memory. 3-9 and 10th in the conference that season. I mean, props, 'cause you guys finished at 3-9, too, that season. Miami (2-10), beat you 42-14 on your home field.

And perhaps someone can help me understand how wins v. Arkansas and Iowa State in 2015 have any relevance in 2023. It's nice that Toledo beat a Top-20 Arkansas team then. That and an inflated $2 will get me 12-hour-old, lukewarm coffee at the deli down the street.

Let's return to reality: two football teams in 2023 will play on Sept. 2 in MemStad. They each got votes in the Top 25 preseason. That indicates on a neutral field it should be a competitive game. We're not playing on a neutral field. Vegas has us at a touchdown + favorite. In the absence of my Ouija board I tend to favor the views of those who put their money on the line. We can discuss it further among ourselves. You seem intent on us taking your team seriously. I believe most of us do. I mean, Northwestern is no Toledo.

Am looking forward to an enjoyable game. Odds are that it will be a close one. Good for all concerned. We like debating with guests on our board but you gotta bring more than "Toledo's got Bielema's number." Or "We beat two P5 teams in 2015."

BTW, BB's got lots of numbers. Which one exactly does UT possess?
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I could personally make fun of BB to his face as a Toledo fan and that's fun for us. 1-0 baby. And I never once brought up ISU in 2015. One of you did.
 
#171      
ptgrd23
Wow - Toledo fans talking smack on our board. We better not lose or we will never hear the end of it!
 
#174      
STLflyinIllini
UofToledoFans said:
That's fine. It's just odd to hear NFL talent from a room that only gets a few TDs. Our 15 TD TE coached by Discher could have been an awful blocking TE. I usually just pay attention to targets, yards and TDs. And I'd bet on more from our room than yours. That's all.
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Facing the law firm of Newton & Randolph, and their Associates Coleman & Jacas, Toledo's QB will be praying that his TEs can block REAAALLLY well. I don't care what P5 program your transfer OL came from; they're not blocking all those guys 1 on 1.
 
#175      
GILL-INOIS
UofToledoFans said:
The fact that regardless of our record, success, bowl games, NFL players we are looked at as inferior... is why we want to run you off your field lol.
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Looked at inferior by who? As a non P5 school I think Toledo is very respectable over the years. Toledo probably got more national air time than Illinois looking back over the years. Looking for that bulletin board material on an Illini board.......whatever gets you pumped up :ROFLMAO:

It would be like an Illini fan starting an account on a Toledo forum and preaching about Red Grange and Dick Butkus
 
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