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jakeyjakey
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That’s exactly what Bryce Hopkins would want us to believe.
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JW
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If such video exists, the district attorney in Douglas County has seen it.
Too many armchair lawyers in this forum with degrees from Law & Order and Better Call Saul. As an Illinois College of Law grad, I can tell you it is much less dramatic than you think.
It remains possible that the DA in Kansas is both corrupt and incompetent. But more likely, considerable thought and contemplation and review of evidence was undertaken before laying charges. This is not to say Shannon isn't in fact completely innocent. But DAs don't like to lose public cases, and the damage of pursuing a weak case usually outweighs the positive publicity, if there is any. And in this case I've read the speculation that the DA is running for re-election and facing scrutiny. I don't see how bringing trumped-up charges against a college basketball player helps with re-election. Especially if the case lacks merit. This is what you see on TV, but not how it works in real life.
They have seen the charge document that was posted on social media last night. I don't recall him saying they have seen any other document like the police report.
At this stage, I’m not sure how much weight it holds, but I gotta imagine there’s quite a few players from both the football & basketball teams, perhaps even from Kansas, who are corroborating TJ’s story. Perhaps even detailed knowledge & insight into whatever relationship existed between TJ & this young woman.
Here is a good summary of the press conference for those that didn’t watch
247sports.com
'Basketball must take a backseat': Whitman details Terrence Shannon Jr. suspension, what's next
Illinois athletics director Josh Whitman explained the timeline and process that triggered Illini star guard's suspension following arrest
247sports.com
JW
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Agreed.
When Whitman was speaking, I thought how Kelvin Sampson or some other programs would handle this situation.
Very proud of Whitman and Illinois as the athletic department and university navigate this horrible predicament.
Completely believable to me. First I don't think LPD sees the U of I as someone they need to keep informed. Second, I have seen documents go up on the county web sites before they go the people involved.
Serious question though: is Richard Keane’s Cousin really Richard Keane’s Cousin?
You keep saying this. You are ignoring the many many cases of wrongful prosecutions that have been brought and the millions in damages. It is entirely possible that this is all on the up and up. But the legal profession and prosecuting attorneys have been engaging in plenty of unethical behavior. This doesn't about Law and Order episodes. It comes from the newspapers.
I don't think it is very dramatic. What I think, and this is just my reading of the information in this thread and listening to JW's press conference, is that it is very unlikely that any force was exerted in a crowded bar amongst a group of people that I assume were present with TJ and the woman. They likely were very friendly with each other, things happened, and then regret crept in. That seems like the most plausible explanation given what we know at this point, which I concede is very little. I assume TJ's lawyer is trying to determine if footage exists and get his hands on it to determine what they are up against.
Illwinsagain
- Cary, IL
Also, I think that this means that they took the University Jet. It takes more than 3-4 hours to drive to Lawrence.
JW said they drove
Former Coles Co. prosecutor sentenced for attempted official misconduct
COLES COUNTY, Ill. (WCIA) — A former county prosecutor has pleaded guilty to attempted official misconduct. 34-year-old Brady Allen, a former assistant state’s attorney for Coles County…
www.wcia.com
Like this one?
But I am. Let me know how much NIL money is headed my way for a possible transfer next season
Or, unfortunately for many, first hand experience.
surprising to me. while they wouldn't see the U of I as someone they need to keep Informed, it seemed like they would need to keep UIPD informed as that was who they were engaging with from the beginning.
They engaged with UIPD to get access to Shannon for an interview. Once they had their information and Shannon got a lawyer they really had no reason to give UIPD anything except as a courtesy.
When will the DIA meet? And I apologize if that’s been asked and answered on this thread.
JW
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Two problems with your argument, if it can be called an argument:
1. No doubt there are instances of wrongful prosecutions. District attorneys and prosecutors are just human beings, with all positive and negative traits of all human beings. But wrongful prosecutions are the extreme minority. And there are checks and balances in the system - defense counsel, judges, juries, and appeals. Not to mention the high burden of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Further, most states attorneys are elected, providing further protection to the public. In addition there is also a free press, an open legal system and advocacy groups. But in this case, aside from the incredibly unreliable and unverified information you've gleaned from the internet, you have no intelligent, credible or substantiated evidence on which to base your opinion.
2. Respectfully, you only care about this case, and only believe Terrence Shannon Jr is being set-up because it hurts Illinois basketball. Be honest. You don't care about reforming prosecutorial abuse. You aren't leading an advocacy group for the wrongly accused. Just admit this is about the best player since Ayo Dosunmu and our chances to go deep in March. It sucks because this really hurts our basketball program. It hurts our season, which hurts recruiting. It hurts our image as a stand up program. You want Shannon on the court because he wins games and so you only don't care what happened in that bar in Kansas. It is convenient and self serving to believe the accuser is lying or seeking financial compensation. It is convenient and self serving to believe the DA in Douglas County is corrupt.
My handle is indicative of who I am. Tables keep my house hot and I do, in fact, know how to treat the Crypt Keeper.
I'm guessing you're wrong. From their point of view, there had been no news on this topic for many weeks. It seemed like a case that wasn't going anywhere. Why would they be checking the county website in Kansas every day?
Which can get him a year in the local clink
Totally get your second point. But not many have the expertise or time to advocate for such a complicated issue. But, I have to say that the legal profession has opened itself up to well deserved scrutiny/skepticism given the daily examples of questionable prosecution/non-prosecution and numerous examples of influence and corruption. Not unlike many of the country's institutions lately. JMO. So the checks and balances are great, but they are not infallible.
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Well, I guess you just self selected yourself into the unethical category. I haven't said anywhere that he's been set up. But because I point out that these types of unethical behaviors exist that somehow I'm applying it to this case. I haven't said that, but yet you feel entitled to assign that position to me.
You say I don't care about prosecutorial abuse because, once again, you just feel entitled to assign opinions to people.
You are part of the reason we're not making progress against this abuse. You immediately attack anyone who points out the problem instead of making reasoned arguments. No one here has seen the evidence. You haven't and shouldn't suggest that it's sound and fairly presented. Others shouldn't denigrate it either.
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