Not for a case like this.Isn't there often an arrangement where payment is only given when there is a positive outcome for the client?
Not for a case like this.Isn't there often an arrangement where payment is only given when there is a positive outcome for the client?
yeaIsn't there often an arrangement where payment is only given when there is a positive outcome for the client?
I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.Unclear by listening to Ked if the DNA test returned nothing in addition to the accuser's DNA or that the test returned a male sample, but did not match TSJ.
it does not surprise me at all that an alleged brief digital penetration does not yield any DNA . it’s one reason that these types of rape cases , in a “he said, she said” are seldom prosecuted .I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.
Would someone's DNA from a 5-10 second alleged fingering actually show up on a test? I thought it would have to be body fluids of some sort but IANAS.
Here is an article I found about the subject of “touch DNA” (ie: skin cells)I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.
Would someone's DNA from a 5-10 second alleged fingering actually show up on a test? I thought it would have to be body fluids of some sort but IANAS.
IAAS and no, does not need to be fluid. It can also be obtained from skin cells, and the amount required is unfathomably small. PCR can detect and replicate millions of copies from a single fragment of DNA, which can then be sequenced and used to determine a positive/negative 'likelihood' of identification.I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.
Would someone's DNA from a 5-10 second alleged fingering actually show up on a test? I thought it would have to be body fluids of some sort but IANAS.
It seems like she didn’t go for the test until the day after the alleged incident though. Can any DNA experts on this board (I’m laughing that I’m typing that) confirm if that would have any affect?IAAS and no, does not need to be fluid. It can also be obtained from skin cells, and the amount required is unfathomably small. PCR can detect and replicate millions of copies from a single fragment of DNA, which can then be sequenced and used to determine a positive/negative 'likelihood' of identification.
In my case, IATWKOS.
Initially I couldn't contribute because IANAL.
Sadly, I still can't contribute because IANAS.
Best of all worlds would be to find a scientist who stayed at a Holiday Inn.I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.
Would someone's DNA from a 5-10 second alleged fingering actually show up on a test? I thought it would have to be body fluids of some sort but IANAS.
Never in a criminal caseIsn't there often an arrangement where payment is only given when there is a positive outcome for the client?
Brother, I can amplify ANYTHING with this . . .IAAS and used to work with PCR and sequencing, although this is slightly different.
In addition, these types of tests are different from something like sequencing, where quantity and quality are super important. They take the DNA and amplify it then cut it up using something that targets a specific sequence, treat each sample with it, and then run it on a gel. This creates unique banding patterns for each of us. So they'd run Shannon's DNA through the process, the victim's DNA, and whatever DNA they may have recovered and if enough bands match up, it's a match. With an expected small recovery of DNA, I'm not totally sure on how this affects results however. You can't amplify what isn't there.
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I watch my fair share of Dateline (which is about the equivalent of a Holiday Inn Express) and anytime I have seen "touch DNA" referenced, it has always been on an inanimate object like car upholstery or a piece of clothing. In those instances, if skin cells are shed onto an object, they likely will remain there for awhile. It would seem to me that it may be a completely different story when trying to obtain a sample from inside a live human body. Even if there were skin cells present at the time of the incident, how long would they actually remain there and be detectable? I suspect they would not survive long, so the lack of a DNA match in this case wouldn't be surprising.Here is an article I found about the subject of “touch DNA” (ie: skin cells)
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The merits/facts of the underlying criminal case have nothing to do with the local pursuit of the TRO. The attorneys would have absolutely no reason to talk about the facts of the Kansas litigation, I don’t think. The focus locally is on due process, his right to be heard, and whether he should be allowed to play basketball. It is not at all about whether he is guilty.I find it hard to believe that if the DNA test returned another males DNA that they would charge TSJ with rape. Has anyone actually seen that noted in any of the police reports or court documents, or is it just what an Illinois reporter said they heard in an interview.
Not saying they couldn’t have intel, but I feel like that is something TSJs attorneys would have submitted in their TRO documentation with everything else.
The accuser’s underwear was taken into evidence by the police.I watch my fair share of Dateline (which is about the equivalent of a Holiday Inn Express) and anytime I have seen "touch DNA" referenced, it has always been on an inanimate object like car upholstery or a piece of clothing. In those instances, if skin cells are shed onto an object, they likely will remain there for awhile. It would seem to me that it may be a completely different story when trying to obtain a sample from inside a live human body. Even if there were skin cells present at the time of the incident, how long would they actually remain there and be detectable? I suspect they would not survive long, so the lack of a DNA match in this case wouldn't be surprising.
Thank you. So then it would seem the case would hinge on this correct?The accuser’s underwear was taken into evidence by the police.
I’d assume that is where they would look for the touch DNA.
Not really. The accuser’s testimony alone could win the day. TJ’s testimony will be heard and considered. Juries and judges acting as finders of fact determine what a case “turns on.” I’m very sure we don’t want it to come to that, but it could. I, for one, sincerely hope that this is resolved amicably (well, at least civilly) long before a trial is necessary. And, without a plea having ANY connection to a sex crime.Thank you. So then it would seem the case would hinge on this correct?