Not for a case like this.
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Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
yea
in personal injury lawsuits on plaintiff side
I’m not aware of contingent fees in any other types of legal situations , tho
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I know there's a lot of lawyers who stayed at a Holiday Inn on this message board, but what about scientists.
Would someone's DNA from a 5-10 second alleged fingering actually show up on a test? I thought it would have to be body fluids of some sort but IANAS.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
it does not surprise me at all that an alleged brief digital penetration does not yield any DNA . it’s one reason that these types of rape cases , in a “he said, she said” are seldom prosecuted .
I mean , there are murder cases in Chicago just aboutcevery week , with better evidence , that don’t get prosecuted .
Here is an article I found about the subject of “touch DNA” (ie: skin cells)
Touch DNA: impact of handling time on touch deposit and evaluation of different recovery techniques: An experimental study - Scientific Reports
“Touch DNA” is DNA obtained from biological material transferred from a donor to an object or a person during physical contact. This particular kind of evidence could play an essential role in forensic laboratory work and is considered an important tool for investigators. Even though the...
www.nature.com
It states the following: “Analyzing the data of this experimental model, a “handling time” of two seconds is enough to release sufficient DNA on to a garment to obtain a complete profile.”
Lack of Shannon’s DNA being present wouldn’t necessarily mean that the assault did NOT happen.
But IF his DNA was present, then SOMETHING definitely happened.
IAAS and no, does not need to be fluid. It can also be obtained from skin cells, and the amount required is unfathomably small. PCR can detect and replicate millions of copies from a single fragment of DNA, which can then be sequenced and used to determine a positive/negative 'likelihood' of identification.
It seems like she didn’t go for the test until the day after the alleged incident though. Can any DNA experts on this board (I’m laughing that I’m typing that) confirm if that would have any affect?
Initially I couldn't contribute because IANAL.
Sadly, I still can't contribute because IANAS.
sacraig
- The desert
In my case, IATWKOS.
Initially I couldn't contribute because IANAL.
Sadly, I still can't contribute because IANAS.
Sadly, I couldn't find a way to make that into an innuendo.
Best of all worlds would be to find a scientist who stayed at a Holiday Inn.
Never in a criminal case
illinifan31
Former Krush Cow
- South Bend, IN
IAAS and used to work with PCR and sequencing, although this is slightly different.
In addition, these types of tests are different from something like sequencing, where quantity and quality are super important. They take the DNA and amplify it then cut it up using something that targets a specific sequence, treat each sample with it, and then run it on a gel. This creates unique banding patterns for each of us. So they'd run Shannon's DNA through the process, the victim's DNA, and whatever DNA they may have recovered and if enough bands match up, it's a match. With an expected small recovery of DNA, I'm not totally sure on how this affects results however. You can't amplify what isn't there.
In addition, these types of tests are different from something like sequencing, where quantity and quality are super important. They take the DNA and amplify it then cut it up using something that targets a specific sequence, treat each sample with it, and then run it on a gel. This creates unique banding patterns for each of us. So they'd run Shannon's DNA through the process, the victim's DNA, and whatever DNA they may have recovered and if enough bands match up, it's a match. With an expected small recovery of DNA, I'm not totally sure on how this affects results however. You can't amplify what isn't there.
I'd like to think that if Shannon was that forthcoming to give a DNA sample then he likely (hopefully?) didn't do it.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
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I watch my fair share of Dateline (which is about the equivalent of a Holiday Inn Express) and anytime I have seen "touch DNA" referenced, it has always been on an inanimate object like car upholstery or a piece of clothing. In those instances, if skin cells are shed onto an object, they likely will remain there for awhile. It would seem to me that it may be a completely different story when trying to obtain a sample from inside a live human body. Even if there were skin cells present at the time of the incident, how long would they actually remain there and be detectable? I suspect they would not survive long, so the lack of a DNA match in this case wouldn't be surprising.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
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illini55
- The Villages, FL
The merits/facts of the underlying criminal case have nothing to do with the local pursuit of the TRO. The attorneys would have absolutely no reason to talk about the facts of the Kansas litigation, I don’t think. The focus locally is on due process, his right to be heard, and whether he should be allowed to play basketball. It is not at all about whether he is guilty.
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The accuser’s underwear was taken into evidence by the police.
I’d assume that is where they would look for the touch DNA.
Thank you. So then it would seem the case would hinge on this correct?
If there's no DNA..
you must free TSJ.
Nah, absence of DNA is kinda meaningless here.
you must free TSJ.
Nah, absence of DNA is kinda meaningless here.
illini55
- The Villages, FL
Not really. The accuser’s testimony alone could win the day. TJ’s testimony will be heard and considered. Juries and judges acting as finders of fact determine what a case “turns on.” I’m very sure we don’t want it to come to that, but it could. I, for one, sincerely hope that this is resolved amicably (well, at least civilly) long before a trial is necessary. And, without a plea having ANY connection to a sex crime.
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