Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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NarrowJ said:
I have to wonder how overvalued these top 10 kids are with P5 schools now loading up on seasoned/experienced transfers every year, plus the caveat that you probably only get these players for one season (and its a season in which they're brand new to this level, body/strength may be lacking compared to 23 y/o players, etcetera).

If you took the #2 and #3 kids off of 247's rankings and those were your best players on your team- how good would that team be? The #2 and #3 players this year were Isiah Collier and Justin Edwards. Decent, but... meh? Collier is averaging 15 ppg but his team is terrible (8-11 USC). Edwards is averaging 8 ppg for Kentucky, but if he's your #2 guy, then how good is your team? Last year Dereck Lively and Tariq Whitehead were #2 and #3, and they were fine role players on a good Duke team, averaging 8 and 5 ppg respectively. But, if they were your 1A/1B guys... again, how good is your team? Many of these kids, no matter the ranking, (1) need another year to be good college players, but (2) they get drafted on potential so you only get one season from them. As far as being effective, needle-moving college players, they are typically very hit & miss and not a sure thing at all.
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I think it really just varies a lot class to class. Some years you get a Derrick Rose or Anthony Davis others you get a Markelle Fultz or Ben Simmons.

I do think the hard part of some of these top 10 recruits is the constant turnover and not all of them are great as freshman.

It can work really well however when you can end up pairing a top tier freshman with an experienced veteran team or in the case of the Anthony Davis if you just have an incredible amount of young talent.
 
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I think we kind of agree then that Rutgers is going to need more than just those two guys. Then, the year after that, they're likely history anyway.
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They're going to need to hit the portal hard but if they do could very likely be the best team in the Big10 if that can gel.

If Cliff sticks around pair that with the incoming freshman plus Griffith and Simpson add 2-3 impact transfers(basically just a class like the Illini did).
 
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PepeSilvia said:
They're going to need to hit the portal hard but if they do could very likely be the best team in the Big10 if that can gel.

If Cliff sticks around pair that with the incoming freshman plus Griffith and Simpson add 2-3 impact transfers(basically just a class like the Illini did).
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Then, I'd argue their success hinges more on Cliff/Griffith/Simpson/Other Returnees and the 2-3 impact xfers than expecting a ton from a couple of 18-19 year olds. I just think this is the way in college basketball now. Top 5/10 players seem to have pretty high ceilings, but usually they come in and have one mediocre-ish season and then it's on the league.
 
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Then, I'd argue their success hinges more on Cliff/Griffith/Simpson/Other Returnees and the 2-3 impact xfers than expecting a ton from a couple of 18-19 year olds. I just think this is the way in college basketball now. Top 5/10 players seem to have pretty high ceilings, but usually they come in and have one mediocre-ish season and then it's on the league.
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I think you need to have the solid base of the roster which you build with the returnees and transfer but the two freshman are your upside guys. They raise the ceiling on the team kinda like Miller did for Alabama last year.
 
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PepeSilvia said:
They're going to need to hit the portal hard but if they do could very likely be the best team in the Big10 if that can gel.

If Cliff sticks around pair that with the incoming freshman plus Griffith and Simpson add 2-3 impact transfers(basically just a class like the Illini did).
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Not worried about Rutgers I’m more worried about Ohio State and Indiana tbh. OSU will bring back their guards and Indiana will use it’s crazy NIL to land some big fish in the portal along with Liam McNeeley who I’ve watched in person and can confirm he’s the real deal. Nonetheless, Illinois will be just fine and continue to run the Big10 especially when Edey is gone!
 
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NarrowJ said:
Then, I'd argue their success hinges more on Cliff/Griffith/Simpson/Other Returnees and the 2-3 impact xfers than expecting a ton from a couple of 18-19 year olds. I just think this is the way in college basketball now. Top 5/10 players seem to have pretty high ceilings, but usually they come in and have one mediocre-ish season and then it's on the league.
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We would love to have the #2 and #3 recruits in the country...with the portal they should be able to compete with most anyone...
 
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We would love to have the #2 and #3 recruits in the country...with the portal they should be able to compete with most anyone...
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That's what I'm saying. I'm not so sure those players are optimal with the current CBB landscape.

But yes, you still take them / recruit them. I already said that much.
 
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NarrowJ said:
That's what I'm saying. I'm not so sure those players are optimal with the current CBB landscape.

But yes, you still take them / recruit them. I already said that much.
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They're spending a lot of money, surely they will in the portal too...We would too for a chance at a Natty..
 
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BradUnderwoodLover said:
Not worried about Rutgers I’m more worried about Ohio State and Indiana tbh. OSU will bring back their guards and Indiana will use it’s crazy NIL to land some big fish in the portal along with Liam McNeeley who I’ve watched in person and can confirm he’s the real deal. Nonetheless, Illinois will be just fine and continue to run the Big10 especially when Edey is gone!
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Why do we assume Indiana’s NIL is any better than ours?
 
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LvilleILL said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750720998695956618

There will be a real run at this...
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