It will hurt your soul even more if you see it laid out, haha...
2010: 7-3. NIT.
It will hurt your soul even more if you see it laid out, haha...
2010: 7-3. NIT.
It will hurt your soul even more if you see it laid out, haha...
2007: 5-5. #12 seed, First Round loss.
2008: 2-8. No postseason.
2009: 6-4. Second in Big Ten, #5 seed, First Round loss.
2010: 7-3. NIT.
2011: 5-5. #9 seed, Second Round loss.
2012: 5-5. No postseason.
2013: 3-7. #7 seed, Second Round loss.
2014: 2-8. NIT.
2015: 5-5. NIT.
2016: 3-7. No postseason.
2017: 3-7. NIT.
2018: 2-8. No postseason.
2019: 2-8. No postseason.
2020: 8-2. Second in Big Ten, NCAAT cancelled (likely a #6 seed?). Truly the end of the storm.
How that wasn't the end for Bruce I will never understand.
And perhaps even more to see it visualized.It will hurt your soul even more if you see it laid out, haha...
This year should be back over that dotted orange line.
"Thickness increases with NCAA tournament wins"
I remember so many Weber loyalists (and I considered myself somewhat in the middle of that debate circa 2010) promising that we saw all of the signs in 2010, and 2011 would be the "we're back" year. We started the year preseason #13, and I DISTINCTLY remember some hilarious CBB personality (maybe Doug Gotlieb, lol) picking us to make the National Championship Game. It seemed like we took one step forward and one step back all season on our way to a #9 seed. Then I feel like the excuse of waiting until the young guys like Paul and Richardson got older by 2012 was on shaky ground, and by mid-2012 he was a dead man walking.How that wasn't the end for Bruce I will never understand.
Thank God for JW and BU.
Yep! Was actually just looking to see what we need to do to get there.This year should be back over that dotted orange line.
well played"Thickness increases with NCAA tournament wins"
Can confirm.
I would Travel over to Edey, Charging my way Over The Back to reach the paper cut, and apply the lemon juice with Flailing Elbows for more than Three Seconds.Nobody would hurt my feelings at all by telling me I'd feel different if it were Edey and not Shannon. If TJ got a papercut I'd probably rush to his aid if possible. Edey has a papercut? Now where did I put that lemon juice....
2009-10 was frustrating as hell. We lose an early season tourney to Utah and Bradley then beat Vanderbilt and pull a 23 point comeback out of our you-know-what @Clemson the week after that only to then follow that up with a loss to a mid Georgia team. We then go on a run in conference play with wins over Sparty and Wisconsin @ Kohl(!)…only to end the year going 4-7 and capping it off with the home egg laying vs Dayton in the NIT.It will hurt your soul even more if you see it laid out, haha...
2007: 5-5. #12 seed, First Round loss.
2008: 2-8. No postseason.
2009: 6-4. Second in Big Ten, #5 seed, First Round loss.
2010: 7-3. NIT.
2011: 5-5. #9 seed, Second Round loss.
2012: 5-5. No postseason.
2013: 3-7. #7 seed, Second Round loss.
2014: 2-8. NIT.
2015: 5-5. NIT.
2016: 3-7. No postseason.
2017: 3-7. NIT.
2018: 2-8. No postseason.
2019: 2-8. No postseason.
2020: 8-2. Second in Big Ten, NCAAT cancelled (likely a #6 seed?). Truly the end of the storm.
There was good reason for that optimism. Tisdale, McCamey and Davis were all very experienced seniors who had been relatively successful and we expected sophomore leaps from Paul and Richardson. On the bench there was a senior in Bill Cole, Tyler Griffey was a sophomore and Bertrand a redshirt freshman and we had a McDonald's All-American in Richmond coming in along with Leonard who had a ton of upside.I remember so many Weber loyalists (and I considered myself somewhat in the middle of that debate circa 2010) promising that we saw all of the signs in 2010, and 2011 would be the "we're back" year. We started the year preseason #13, and I DISTINCTLY remember some hilarious CBB personality (maybe Doug Gotlieb, lol) picking us to make the National Championship Game. It seemed like we took one step forward and one step back all season on our way to a #9 seed. Then I feel like the excuse of waiting until the young guys like Paul and Richardson got older by 2012 was on shaky ground, and by mid-2012 he was a dead man walking.
Thank you for dumbing this down and explaining it very thoughtfully to me, examples included. You have made the picture very clear.It is really concerning, as the rumor appears to be that the Big Ten and SEC are going to split off for football AND men's basketball, which apparently for each would mean having their own championship separate from the rest of the NCAA. @Genetics56, who has been a fairly legit insider in all of this realignment stuff, suggested that it is possible that the breakaway could include the Big East for men's basketball, which would help. But clearly the magic of March Madness would be wiped away if it was just a Big Ten-SEC tournament. I can't imagine why they think this would be a feasible path forward. Yes, people want to see big name programs in the championship game. Yes, having multiple Cinderellas in the Final Four probably hurts ratings. But the first two rounds are unbelievably captivating because of the potential for major upsets by mid-majors and other auto-bid participants.
Additionally, not that this will be the deciding factor, but if you go this route, it kills the conference tournament. Who would want to watch a B1G tournament followed by a B1G-SEC only national tournament? It would just be silly. If the breakaway truly leads to a B1G-SEC only postseason, while it should work out for football, it would kill college basketball.
Finally, if Kansas, Duke, Gonzaga, Louisville, Arizona, Houston, West Virginia, Baylor, UConn, Villanova, Virginia, etc. are left behind and participate in their own March Madness with the rest of Division I, then they have a very strong argument that their championship would matter a whole lot more than the Power 2 championship who has teams that only make up 8 of the last 25 national champions (assuming UNC to SEC). Would anyone even tune into the first round of a Sweet Sixteen tournament that looked like this (see below) rather than a traditional March Madness game?
1. Purdue v. 16. Mississippi State
8. Oklahoma v. 9. Alabama
4. Wisconsin v. 13. Texas
5. Kentucky v. 12. Northwestern
6. Illinois v. 11. Mississippi
3. Tennessee v. 14. Michigan State
7. Auburn v. 10. South Carolina
2. UNC v. 15. Florida
Blech.
I'm on record many times here on Loyalty bemoaning the upcoming demise of college sports, and grudgingly affirm that belief. When football and basketball try to form their own "leagues" to differentiate the "haves" from the "have nots", the majority of the revenue will cease to flow to all 1,000+ NCAA member institutions, which will kill off football and basketball at the "have not" universities, and all other non-revenue sports at those schools, as they depend on monies coming in from the NCAA pot of gold to fund their activities. And if things continue on their present path, the NCAA will lose the major money maker for the organization which benefits all members, March Madness.Thank you for dumbing this down and explaining it very thoughtfully to me, examples included. You have made the picture very clear.
And now that I understand it, I want to vomit and cry.
Do you think Guerrier struggles might be having a newborn at home. I was off my work game when I had my child.
Which makes it easier for the cheaters to cheat. The rule followers won't get many of the top ranked players when they are restricted to $X, while the cheaters have no restriction at all. Doesn't matter, the courts have spoken, not going to happen.I could see the conferences saying: Here are our rules. If you want a chance to compete in our tournaments, you need to follow these rules. They might also announce the rules, say they are adopting them, and put them up for adoption before threatening a split. I suspect that any rules they adopt will force 50-75% of the schools out of Div I due to the cost.
As for the rules, I expect something like a pro like blueprint, and then seeing if other conferences adopt it prior to making any "threats" of splitting off. e.g. Schools will sign FB/BB players as employees. The schools own the NIL rights. There is a hard salary cap of $BB for Basketball and $FB for football. There are minimum salaries in each sport.
Any tax accountants out there? If the players become employees, do all of the other benefits, e.g. room/board/trainers/tuition become taxable benefits? If so, those salaries are going to have to be huge.
I was at the that preseason tournament and personally watched us lose to Utah and Bradley. That was pretty darn awful.2009-10 was frustrating as hell. We lose an early season tourney to Utah and Bradley then beat Vanderbilt and pull a 23 point comeback out of our you-know-what @Clemson the week after that only to then follow that up with a loss to a mid Georgia team. We then go on a run in conference play with wins over Sparty and Wisconsin @ Kohl(!)…only to end the year going 4-7 and capping it off with the home egg laying vs Dayton in the NIT.
And those weren’t even the worse losses of Weber’s tenure. The very next year, a game we all try to repress, we lose to a dumpster fire UIC program at our home away from home. That loss alone should have forced us to forfeit our tourney bid.
Sorry for the depressing trip down memory lane. Thank you Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman for saving Illinois basketball!
My understanding is that the NCAA keeps losing because the players are not under contract and own their own NIL rights. If they are employees and explicitly sign those rights over to the universities, then can limits legally be enforced? There is still the under the table issue. The conferences can decide how strictly they wish to enforce that on themselves.Which makes it easier for the cheaters to cheat. The rule followers won't get many of the top ranked players when they are restricted to $X, while the cheaters have no restriction at all. Doesn't matter, the courts have spoken, not going to happen.
I think you were more accurate here than you intended. While I would love to see the Beloved win the elusive natty, I think it is illusive to think we're actually going to win it.Well then we better win that illusive Natty this year. I would really hate to lose that unparalleled, uniquely American, bigger than life event that March Madness has become. Whatever they envision will never be able to replace the glamour of the Big Dance.