Illini Basketball 2023-2024
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Illini2010-11
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redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
Well they are clearly moving toward a B1G-SEC only playoff and they don't give an F about the teams that get left out. Are they going to do the same thing for basketball? If so, then yes I think they are trying to think with their bank accounts and not with what makes college basketball a draw and that is a huge mistake.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
How that wasn't the end for Bruce I will never understand.
Thank God for JW and BU.
That wasn't the point of the article. It has nothing to do what you personally think. It has nothing to do with what I personally think either. His point is that, as a whole, this is and will continue to be viewed unfavorably across the country. He brought up Alabama last year. They underwhelmed in the tournament, so the incident, by in large, was forgotten. If they'd had gone to the Final Four and won the whole thing....that would have been half the story line.
Same goes here. Notice that I specifically put the caveat on my post being if we were to ascend to the heights that we believe this team can go...
If we lose in the round of 32, this season won't be remembered under any circumstance.
If we get to the Final Four....he will be the main story line, as much as we(Illinois fans) done think he should be.
I agree with you, everyone deserves due process. That said, the national media/pundits will disagree with us. That article proves the point and we haven't played one game in February yet.
Same goes here. Notice that I specifically put the caveat on my post being if we were to ascend to the heights that we believe this team can go...
If we lose in the round of 32, this season won't be remembered under any circumstance.
If we get to the Final Four....he will be the main story line, as much as we(Illinois fans) done think he should be.
I agree with you, everyone deserves due process. That said, the national media/pundits will disagree with us. That article proves the point and we haven't played one game in February yet.
Mr. Tibbs
- southeast DuPage
the B1G & SEC will figure a way to include B12 , ACC & others and the new tournament will make all those schools more money than status quo.
it is what it is . I’ve been saying it for years - the NCAA as we know it will be just about inconsequential for revenue sports and a few or all others
it’s their own fault , really . Inactivity in the face of dynamic reality for 20 years has consequences
it is what it is . I’ve been saying it for years - the NCAA as we know it will be just about inconsequential for revenue sports and a few or all others
it’s their own fault , really . Inactivity in the face of dynamic reality for 20 years has consequences
GrayGhost77
- Centennial, CO
This year should be back over that dotted orange line.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
I remember so many Weber loyalists (and I considered myself somewhat in the middle of that debate circa 2010) promising that we saw all of the signs in 2010, and 2011 would be the "we're back" year. We started the year preseason #13, and I DISTINCTLY remember some hilarious CBB personality (maybe Doug Gotlieb, lol) picking us to make the National Championship Game. It seemed like we took one step forward and one step back all season on our way to a #9 seed. Then I feel like the excuse of waiting until the young guys like Paul and Richardson got older by 2012 was on shaky ground, and by mid-2012 he was a dead man walking.
Yep! Was actually just looking to see what we need to do to get there.
- 4 more wins
- Stay ranked throughout the year
- 2 wins in the NCAA tournament OR win the B1G reg season OR win the BTT
well playedI would Travel over to Edey, Charging my way Over The Back to reach the paper cut, and apply the lemon juice with Flailing Elbows for more than Three Seconds.
2009-10 was frustrating as hell. We lose an early season tourney to Utah and Bradley then beat Vanderbilt and pull a 23 point comeback out of our you-know-what @Clemson the week after that only to then follow that up with a loss to a mid Georgia team. We then go on a run in conference play with wins over Sparty and Wisconsin @ Kohl(!)…only to end the year going 4-7 and capping it off with the home egg laying vs Dayton in the NIT.
And those weren’t even the worse losses of Weber’s tenure. The very next year, a game we all try to repress, we lose to a dumpster fire UIC program at our home away from home. That loss alone should have forced us to forfeit our tourney bid.
Sorry for the depressing trip down memory lane. Thank you Brad Underwood and Josh Whitman for saving Illinois basketball!
There was good reason for that optimism. Tisdale, McCamey and Davis were all very experienced seniors who had been relatively successful and we expected sophomore leaps from Paul and Richardson. On the bench there was a senior in Bill Cole, Tyler Griffey was a sophomore and Bertrand a redshirt freshman and we had a McDonald's All-American in Richmond coming in along with Leonard who had a ton of upside.
When you look at the collection of talent and experience on the roster, it was just about as disappointing as 2010 and 2012. At least they did win a tourney game though.
Thank you for dumbing this down and explaining it very thoughtfully to me, examples included. You have made the picture very clear.
And now that I understand it, I want to vomit and cry.
I'm on record many times here on Loyalty bemoaning the upcoming demise of college sports, and grudgingly affirm that belief. When football and basketball try to form their own "leagues" to differentiate the "haves" from the "have nots", the majority of the revenue will cease to flow to all 1,000+ NCAA member institutions, which will kill off football and basketball at the "have not" universities, and all other non-revenue sports at those schools, as they depend on monies coming in from the NCAA pot of gold to fund their activities. And if things continue on their present path, the NCAA will lose the major money maker for the organization which benefits all members, March Madness.
I could see the conferences saying: Here are our rules. If you want a chance to compete in our tournaments, you need to follow these rules. They might also announce the rules, say they are adopting them, and put them up for adoption before threatening a split. I suspect that any rules they adopt will force 50-75% of the schools out of Div I due to the cost.
As for the rules, I expect something like a pro like blueprint, and then seeing if other conferences adopt it prior to making any "threats" of splitting off. e.g. Schools will sign FB/BB players as employees. The schools own the NIL rights. There is a hard salary cap of $BB for Basketball and $FB for football. There are minimum salaries in each sport.
Any tax accountants out there? If the players become employees, do all of the other benefits, e.g. room/board/trainers/tuition become taxable benefits? If so, those salaries are going to have to be huge.
As for the rules, I expect something like a pro like blueprint, and then seeing if other conferences adopt it prior to making any "threats" of splitting off. e.g. Schools will sign FB/BB players as employees. The schools own the NIL rights. There is a hard salary cap of $BB for Basketball and $FB for football. There are minimum salaries in each sport.
Any tax accountants out there? If the players become employees, do all of the other benefits, e.g. room/board/trainers/tuition become taxable benefits? If so, those salaries are going to have to be huge.
Supposedly he's just a little banged up (unreported injury, so something minor). We have a couple game stretch here with decent rest in between, so hopefully he can get right.
Which makes it easier for the cheaters to cheat. The rule followers won't get many of the top ranked players when they are restricted to $X, while the cheaters have no restriction at all. Doesn't matter, the courts have spoken, not going to happen.
The NCAA is pretty much powerless and pointless after losing every court case brought against them. They may have had a chance if they had read the room a few years back and evolved. Now I don’t think they can be salvaged and don’t see why anyone would want to. Not sure anyone but the power conferences can pull off a replacement. Agree that is probably more likely than not the power conferences screw things up and it takes a few iterations to get the right have/have-not balance in place. But the current anarchy will likely be worse if not checked.
the national
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I was at the that preseason tournament and personally watched us lose to Utah and Bradley. That was pretty darn awful.
My understanding is that the NCAA keeps losing because the players are not under contract and own their own NIL rights. If they are employees and explicitly sign those rights over to the universities, then can limits legally be enforced? There is still the under the table issue. The conferences can decide how strictly they wish to enforce that on themselves.
I think you were more accurate here than you intended. While I would love to see the Beloved win the elusive natty, I think it is illusive to think we're actually going to win it.
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