Illini Basketball 2024-2025
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biglug58
- Chicago, IL
Jaylon Tate lol
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
Brad’s statue photo.
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Curbelo was arguably in the serviceable area. Ty was definitely not. What I see was Brad's marketing language: sign him and you have your point forward!
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And Jaylon Tate before that.
Senior year Chester Frazier was a well above average 3pt shooter for his era. Even 32% as a sophomore was enough to keep teams honest.
Tate was horrible shooting the ball from everywhere. But then, I'm not convinced Groce ever knew how to use him. One of the great failings of coaching. He immediately graduated and had a pretty good few years in the NBLC. He's still playing professionally but I think landed somewhere in Hungary.
How do you get that kind of swelling without something being broken? I'm assuming x-rays were done?
Been a ton of good to great PGs in the league without a reliable 3 pt shot. Rondo, Andre Miller, Gary Payton and Westbrook both 30% career from 3.
I feel like you have to limit it to guys that came after the game evolved to become 3 point heavy, otherwise we're adding about 100 more guys like Isiah Thomas, Rod Strickland, etcetera. Early-to-mid 80's the 3 point shot was something that only occurred maybe a handful of times each game.
I guess I forgot Ben Simmons.
Though, we are talking about a 99 percent chance Ty is never anywhere close to being as good as any of those guys. I think he can learn to shoot, and that's probably what he's mostly working on if I had to guess.
I feel like you have to limit it to guys that came after the game evolved to become 3 point heavy, otherwise we're adding about 100 more guys like Isiah Thomas, Rod Strickland, etcetera. Early-to-mid 80's the 3 point shot was something that only occurred maybe a handful of times each game.
I guess I forgot Ben Simmons.
Though, we are talking about a 99 percent chance Ty is never anywhere close to being as good as any of those guys. I think he can learn to shoot, and that's probably what he's mostly working on if I had to guess.
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Jaylon Tate - delete - couple people beat me to it
Even Simmons was a 33% 3pt shooter in his one year in college. Rondo was 28%, which is bad, but he was still attempting a shot or two a game and making some of them. Payton was a 37% 3pt shooter in college.
Ty played 2 years of college ball and attempted one 3 pt shot. 71 games, averaging 20 minutes per - 1 attempt, zero makes.
I just don't see it ever becoming part of his game. This all reminds me of when Kofi was supposed to be working on his 3 pt shot. He ended his Illini career with the same number of 3 pt attempts and makes as Rogers has. And if defenses don't have to respect his shot, it does limit his effectiveness running the point.
Well... Simmons shot 33% because he went 1 for 3 across a 33 game season.
I totally agree though, Ty has an uphill climb. There's a very small chance he ever actually develops a jump shot, but I love rooting for these guys (even during a redshirt season while he's not even playing) so my homer self is just trying to look at this through a positive lens. There have been tons of guys who developed a jump shot, Kofi wasn't one of them, but he is just one guy.
Whoops! I should have looked under the hood a little more on that stat!
I think this is an interesting discussion. Certainly there is a ton of potential there, but he's not really what I expected from a guy being talked about as a lottery pick. His current slump notwithstanding, he is an "elite" shooter. And he's a good defender...obviously needs to add some strength. What's surprising to me is he hasn't really shown an ability to create his own shot. Feel like that's something a potential lottery pick would excel in. And I'm not doggin' him at all...I think he's a big part of the success of this team. Just doesn't look like a lottery pick to me.
This is Khalid Lewis erasure lmfao
Bigtex
- DFW
We all assume shooting is high on Ty's redshirt to do list.
Can we draw any conclusions that S.Harris was also working on his shot and then started 0-26? Some guys are not great shooters.
Oh, yes there are tons of examples of guys who never put together a jump shot. Also a lot of guys that do. I don't know, I am just hoping Ty is one of the guys that does.
Sencire doing well from the FT line (83%) though, maybe the 3 point shot will come around. He's only a sophomore and did make 13-41 (32%) from deep his freshman season here.
Yes, especially when a player is a career 50-96 on their free throws (.521). That's a great indicator that they're just far behind in the shooting department that will make a passable three point shot too difficult. The meta has been so shooting heavy since they were like 11 years old, if they don't have it now, it's likely just not there.
sacraig
- The desert
Could certainly be viral or allergic, too. Like shingles, for example.
Although across the history of basketball we've seen 85-90% free throw shooters that aren't 3 point threats and we've seen guys that can make 3s but are horrible at the FT line for whatever reason. While it is still shooting, they are two completely different motions / actions.
I guess my hope for Ty is that he can do something like this from FR to SR season:
Because there a slew of guys that have.
True, but I'd reckon that's less likely in the last decade or so, when the three point shooting meta took off. While the 2014-15 Warriors are heavily credited with the revolution, I'd actually say it was one year earlier with the 2013-14 Rio Grande Vipers, the Rockets G-League affiliate. Daryl Morey just basically ran an experiment "what if we only shot threes or layups" at the G-League level, and it resulted in the most efficient offense in the League. In 2014-15, the Warriors and a bunch of other teams started shooting a lot more threes at the NBA level to see a massive surge league wide. And the rest is history from there.
From then on, every young player around the world was put on notice, work on your three point shooting. So it's not like players like Ty Rodgers and Sencire Harris get to college and are suddenly shocked to see how much their three point shot needs to improve. It's an established meta, and their somewhat modest recruiting rankings likely already heavily built in that they were relatively deficient in that area compared to their peers, who will also continue working on their own shots.
Joshua Primo didn't exactly light the world on fire in his one season at Alabama, but he ended up being the #12 pick.
It's all based on potential. He's 6-8. He's a very good shooter, and scorer overall. He showed that in HS, and he's shown flashes against lower-tier competition in college. At his size, that ability is very enticing to NBA teams, who will feel that they can improve the other areas of his game to tap into that.
It may not work of course, but that's the kind of gamble NBA teams often take.
I agree with all of this but still don't see how it prevents a guy from developing an outside shot, it is not like when the 3 point shot took over basketball that guys were suddenly unable to develop it like in the past. I don't know, again it is just something I'm hopeful for and I realize its unlikely, but it is possible. Even if we give Ty a 10% chance of developing an outside shot, that doesn't give me a lot of room to be optimistic, yet here I am.
Also just for fun - I was trying to find guys who were good 3 point shooters that couldn't make FTs and holy Bruce Bowen... 40 percent career 3 point shooter, 57 percent career from FT line. One season he led the league in 3 point shooting percentage at .441 but shot .404 from the FT line.
Yeah, I think this is the key point. If you think Ty Rogers is just NOW starting to work on his 3-pt shot, I could see how you'd be able to talk yourself into thinking he can become a serviceable shooter. But it's almost impossible in today's game that he hasn't been working on that shot consistently since he was a kid. Same with his FT. And he's not some Kofi-type that came late to the game of basketball - he's been playing his whole life. The fact that the former is still not game-ready enough to even try on an occasional basis, and the latter is in Shaq territory, does not bode well.
Not saying it's impossible, but I certainly wouldn't put any of my money on it.
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