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SVSTORM
Indiana adjusting at half and embarrassing Purdue makes me even more frustrated with our coaching situation. I need some good news.
 
#954      
JJE
Brad’s future doesn’t hinge on a single game, but the Iowa game seems pretty important.

If they come out and lay another egg with no heart in a winnable game, that paints a much bleaker picture of what’s going on behind the scenes. I can deal with losses,we endured years of it, but when players that a coach handpicked quit on him, that’s not as easy to gloss over.
 
#955      
Fly Illini Fly!
Indy Illini Fan said:
If we lose out, miss the tournament, and Brad refuses to make staff changes …

Brad SHOULD be fired …
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Still a whole lot of ifs and ands there.

Lose out: unlikely - as much as people wanna crap all over this team, we'll be a lofty favorites vs Iowa.

1 and miss the tourney: slightly even more unlikely - gonna have to lose out and have the bubble (which is horrible this year) not fall our way.

1, 2, and make no staff changes: cmon now.
 
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#957      
PortalGiant
LubbockIlliniFan said:
i find it funny that everyone is going after Tyler- nothing was said last year when we had a top 5 rated offense, or even this year when we were rolling and our ratings were top 10 in offensive efficiency. Look the offense is set up for pick and roll and our guards to read and kick to open shooters. That part is working. If you take an honest assessment we are getting wide open shots. Exactly what the offense is set up for. We just can’t make them. And yes, maybe the coaches missed on these portal guys, but all of them have shot a worse % from 3 than last year. I think a big mistake that Underwood made this year is scheduling so many top 15 caliber teams knowing that we are young and relying on so many freshman. The big ten is a tough conference, we don’t need all these non conference powerhouses.
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If only had a TSJ or Domask to cover up issues.
 
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illinifan1987
Indy Illini Fan said:
If we lose out, miss the tournament, and Brad refuses to make staff changes …

Brad SHOULD be fired …
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#962      
Scoregasm
snakebit12 said:
Truer words have never been spoken.

Who is generating a better ROI on NIL...Underwood or Bielema? It is not even remotely close.

With Underwood on the bench, we spot everyone we play a 10-point lead. He generally can overcome that due to a huge talent advantage...but not this year.

I would almost rather see Weber get the most out of marginal talent than Underwood waste the talent he buys.

Has there ever been an NCAA coach with TWO Round 1 NBA players who failed to make the tourney?
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Rutgers this year. :)
 
#963      
illinifan1987
JJE said:
Brad’s future doesn’t hinge on a single game, but the Iowa game seems pretty important.

If they come out and lay another egg with no heart in a winnable game, that paints a much bleaker picture of what’s going on behind the scenes. I can deal with losses, we've endured decades of it, but when players that a coach handpicked quit on him, that’s not as easy to gloss over.
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#964      
schnaurt
JJE said:
Brad’s future doesn’t hinge on a single game, but the Iowa game seems pretty important.

If they come out and lay another egg with no heart in a winnable game, that paints a much bleaker picture of what’s going on behind the scenes. I can deal with losses,we endured years of it, but when players that a coach handpicked quit on him, that’s not as easy to gloss over.
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I would not look at one game or one year. The man’s entire career shows the he can adapt and improve. He has already done it here multiple times all while the entire landscape of college basketball changed.

Personally think firing Brad would be a trigger decision. Think he has to be retained next year to see how he can fix it based on earning that chance with past results.
 
#965      
Grandpa
Think of all the times that you have said, " They had better talent than the Illini, but Underwood out-coached them!"

I've never said that but maybe someone here has.
 
#966      
spillini
schnaurt said:
I would not look at one game or one year. The man’s entire career shows the he can adapt and improve. He has already done it here multiple times all while the entire landscape of college basketball changed.

Personally think firing Brad would be a trigger decision. Think he has to be retained next year to see how he can fix it based on earning that chance with past results.
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Really depends on what his plan is to fix it
 
#967      
JJE
illinifan1987 said:
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Yeah, you misquoted me.

The reality is Brad needs to find a way to avoid total collapse at the end of the season. If he can’t, there needs to be difficult conversations and no not necessarily firing him, but concrete plans of how to avoid this mess next year if he stays.
 
#970      
jmwillini
Illini coaching staff "Analytics show 3 point shots are worth more than 2 point shots, duh"

Anybody else""Actually analytics show MADE 3 point shots are worth more than 2 point shots"

Illini coaching staff "Huh, what?"
 
#973      
illinois_hustle
Everyone's trying to figure out what went wrong this year. My take:

Especially at this level, team chemistry is huge. On and off the court, it affects practices, games, and everything in between. Brad put these guys together, and early on they had on-court chemistry in spades. Natural stuff you can't coach. KJ was dealing, Tre was sneaky good, Tomi hitting shots, everyone seemingly had their roles ... guys had off days and others would pick them up ... smiles all around. I'll bet practices were fun and dynamic; off the court there was nothing to talk about except how great their performances were and what was possibly in front of them ... a potential F4 and Natty. Every analyst was saying it, and these guys all drink up that stuff on their phones all day long. Bonding was strong.

Then ... in my mind the first thing to happen was Brad starting Ben and playing him 30+ minutes even though he was drastically underperforming. Others playing better were on the bench. Brad ridiculously defends Ben as a great defender in a press conference. Doubt creeps in as to why the HC is sticking with this guy. Talk begins to change.

Then ... injuries and illness starts. Players react differently to these things; some try to push through and others don't. Fears come in about the season. Their rhythm is upset. Shots don't go in. Losses start to mount. More talk.

Then ... talk spills out into practice. I'm thinking this is what happened with Tre. He gets sick and seemingly punished as well. More talk about coach's decisions and biases. This affects off court talk and effort in practice.

Then ... Morez gets seriously injured. Many see this as the final straw as to the teams potential. Their ranking is gone. Effort is further dimished.

All of this I've mentioned is heightened in young men their age, and in addition when the stakes for them are so high (NBA, overseas, NIL) these things can snowball quickly. And because these are very young men, it all escalates into the worst defeat in Illinois Basketball history on a Saturday night in Madison Square Garden.

Can coaching affect this? Absolutely, both to the positive and negative. It's especially bad if the coach is stubborn, which ours famously is. But much of team chemistry is elusive; you can't just say you have it. It's what drives bad baseball teams to the World Series, and 8 seeds to beat 1 seeds in the NBA. We had the chemistry AND the talent early, and lost it. So my main reasons...

1- Team chemistry lost
2- Brad's stubborness
3- Illness and injury
4- Kylan burning sage unnecessarily :)

Go Illini
 
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