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#902      
Old Farm Illini
Illini_1105 said:
its not real. Brad was close to taking the job during the cycle when they hired Shaka, so anytime that job opens up his agents try to squeeze us for more. Brad isn't going anywhere. Texas definitely wont want to pay $16m for a 61 year old coach, especially after this year he is having. Brad is staying.
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The bright side of Brad having a bad year is that he hurt his value more than anything. I’m sure he’ll adjust but the aggravating part is that he’s too reliant of those that surround him. Instead of throwing glares at Hamer, why not take control and adjust using your own instincts as head coach?

I’m wondering if the game planning is too complicated and analytics focused for the individual players that they come off as robotic and can’t adjust in real time since they’re trying to stick with the plan. I imagine a team of vets would know when to pivot and make the right move instead of trying to stay true to the blueprint. Game hasn’t slowed down enough for them to be able to trust their basketball instincts.
 
#903      
rtbritt
OrangeKrush1981 said:
Underwood's teams at Illinois have always had high turnover. Does Underwood's background as a JC coach, where roster turnover is high every year, contribute to his comfort with high roster churn?
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Yes. This has been spoken about in interviews and such over the past couple years.
 
#905      
americanoutlaw11
Some very awesome regular season success and a couple big ten conference championships.

But…
Loyola.
Needing a last second shot to beat Chattanooga
Getting embarrassed by Houston
Getting embarrassed by Arkansas after a huge late season collapse (sound familiar???)
Giving up a 30-0 run to UConn
Basically the whole season since Oregon (sound familiar???)
Getting record-breaking-dog-walked on prime time national television at the most famous arena in the world.

His team. His staff. His culture. His results. His responsibility. If competing for national championships is the end goal, we’ve seen all we need to see at this point.
 
#908      
SweetLuh
Brad SHOULD be our coach 110% next year and it shouldn’t even be a question…..
 
#910      
sacraig
Indy Illini Fan said:
He’s lost his team … He’s lost most of the fans … He’s lost some of the big donors … And will lose the rest if he refuses to make staff changes …
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It's just absolutely striking how quickly we went from the rise to Final four contender in December to trending in a direction that could cause us to miss the tournament in a little over a month. Absolutely astounding. That's not something that can be blamed solely on illness, but it also feels like a stretch to say it's purely on BU, either. After all, it's still the same players, staff, and approach that were absolutely blitzing high-level teams two months ago and drawing comparison to the '89 team. Recall, that actually was still this same season.

The more I think about it, the less I understand just what the heck is happening with our team and program. It defies all logic.

This season has very much pushed me into the "Brad skeptic" camp. I'd be fine with him staying if he can stop the bleeding and make some meaningful staff changes. But if not... oof.
 
#911      
Indy Illini Fan
sacraig said:
It's just absolutely striking how quickly we went from the rise to Final four contender in December to trending in a direction that could cause us to miss the tournament in a little over a month. Absolutely astounding. That's not something that can be blamed solely on illness, but it also feels like a stretch to say it's purely on BU, either. After all, it's still the same players, staff, and approach that were absolutely blitzing high-level teams two months ago and drawing comparison to the '89 team. Recall, that actually was still this same season.

The more I think about it, the less I understand just what the heck is happening with our team and program. It defies all logic.
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If TJ wasn’t granted that TRO and never played again last year …

This whole board would be calling for Brad to be fired …

Because TJ carried last year … No getting around it … And every other team Brad has had … He’s underachieved with …
 
#913      
BoiseBaller
sacraig said:
It's just absolutely striking how quickly we went from the rise to Final four contender in December to trending in a direction that could cause us to miss the tournament in a little over a month. Absolutely astounding. That's not something that can be blamed solely on illness, but it also feels like a stretch to say it's purely on BU, either. After all, it's still the same players, staff, and approach that were absolutely blitzing high-level teams two months ago and drawing comparison to the '89 team. Recall, that actually was still this same season.

The more I think about it, the less I understand just what the heck is happening with our team and program. It defies all logic.
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It's serious underperforming.

I think, and have said many times, that the weakest part of Brad's coaching is in game adjustments. As others mentioned, he's not afraid of making changes outside of games (though he can be too stubborn on this at times too) but in game stuff on the fly....not his strong suit.

And that has been seriously exacerbated this year by having two kids basically creating the offensive and defensive game plans. When we have good game planning, ie game planning that can sustain most of a game, then we do well and it masks the in-game adjustments. We don't have that this year.
 
#915      
daniellarusso
Brad is losing these games on purpose like Daly and the Dream Team to get them focused for the Tourney.
Brads playing chess and we’re talking about chutes and ladders.
 
#916      
USAFILLINI
The big donors tells you his seat is already hot. In the NIL era, you would think they have a massive influence on decisions
 
#917      
sacraig
Indy Illini Fan said:
If TJ wasn’t granted that TRO and never played again last year …

This whole board would be calling for Brad to be fired …

Because TJ carried last year … No getting around it … And every other team Brad has had … He’s underachieved with …
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I think that the broader contours of Brad's coaching and its weaknesses are understood at this point.
  • His staff are really good at recruiting (for the most part) and building a new approach based on the their new personnel and stengths (as they see them) each year.
  • They're hit or miss on season-long changes to their approach. This is where the illness issue could legitimately be an issue in my mind since that would impact the ability to have a stable lineup for implementing changes.
  • They are absolutely abysmal at in-game adjustments and changes. And this is the he one that costs us in big games against well-coached teams.
So, to me, if Brad is going to succeed at the level he and we want, he needs a staff change and it needs to include personnel who are capable of understanding the contours of a game in real time and adjusting. Otherwise, I don't see him getting us to the Promised Land.
 
#918      
Indy Illini Fan
sacraig said:
I think that the broader contours of Brad's coaching and it's weaknesses are understood at this point.
  • His staff are really good at recruiting (for the most part) and building a new approach based on the their new personnel and stengths (as they see them) each year.
  • They're hit or miss on season-long changes to their approach. This is where the illness issue could legitimately be an issue in my mind since that would impact the ability to have a stable lineup for implementing changes.
  • They are absolutely abysmal at in-game adjustments and changes. And this is the he one that costs us in big games against well-coached teams.
So, to me, if Brad is going to succeed at the level he and we want, he needs a staff change and it needs to include personnel who are capable of understanding the contours of a game in real time and adjusting. Otherwise, I don't see him getting us to the Promised Land.
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Bingo … We need 3 new assistants …

My problem is that Brad doesn’t see anything wrong with the coaching right now !!!! I have ZERO confidence in his ability to listen to other coaches … He thinks Tyler is some sort of genius and Hamer is a defensive guru when he suggests we dork 50+% 3 point shooters …

He’s sort of like Muss … Constant staff turnover and people who really would prefer to not work for him …
 
#919      
snakebit12
Indy Illini Fan said:
And every other team Brad has had … He’s underachieved with …
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Truer words have never been spoken.

Who is generating a better ROI on NIL...Underwood or Bielema? It is not even remotely close.

With Underwood on the bench, we spot everyone we play a 10-point lead. He generally can overcome that due to a huge talent advantage...but not this year.

I would almost rather see Weber get the most out of marginal talent than Underwood waste the talent he buys.

Has there ever been an NCAA coach with TWO Round 1 NBA players who failed to make the tourney?
 
#920      
Illini2010-11
Indy Illini Fan said:
Bingo … We need 3 new assistants …

My problem is that Brad doesn’t see anything wrong with the coaching right now !!!! I have ZERO confidence in his ability to listen to other coaches … He thinks Tyler is some sort of genius and Hamer is a defensive guru when he suggests we dork 50+% 3 point shooters …

He’s sort of like Muss … Constant staff turnover and people who really would prefer to not work for him …
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Nepotism is the fall of many good men.
 
#921      
HailtotheChief
Other schools really want BU as a top candidate today? For the amount of cash he will want I just don't get it. He is a solid recruiter but landing Kofi made running things much easier for a few years.
 
#922      
GTL Adam
There’s common sentiment here of “this is just one year”, but outside of TSJ and Domask carrying us to the Elite Eight, this is becoming the norm where we’ve really regressed at the worst times.

‘21 - Failure against Loyola
‘22 - Win the B10, first round BTT loss to Indiana. Barely squeak by a bad Chattanooga team, then lose to Houston.
‘23 - Matt Mayer
 
#924      
Indy Illini Fan
snakebit12 said:
Truer words have never been spoken.

Who is generating a better ROI on NIL...Underwood or Bielema? It is not even remotely close.

With Underwood on the bench, we spot everyone we play a 10-point lead. He generally can overcome that due to a huge talent advantage...but not this year.

I would almost rather see Weber get the most out of marginal talent than Underwood waste the talent he buys.

Has there ever been an NCAA coach with TWO Round 1 NBA players who failed to make the tourney?
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Shauna Green as well …
 
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