Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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#351      
Honestly, I love Morez but Tyler was right if that happened.

Morez isn't exactly a good shooter and the mid range jumper from a bad/mediocre shooter is about as bad of a shot as you can take.

I'm not saying Morez can't develop that part of his game but his shot looked kind of flat and his release is a bit out in front of him from watching warm ups(I actually think Ty's jumpshot mechanics look better).
Watching him in pre games, his catch and shoot 3 looked way smoother than any jumper off the dribble. But it's a moot point. We could've utilized him sooner, but the wrist injury and Tomi being sick and injured weren't helpful either.
It just sucks, really enjoyed rooting for him. 🤷‍♂️
 
#354      
Yep, they seem to leave here quickly. Harris and Dainja tried to stay longer than most.
 
#356      
Someone else mentioned it earlier but he should try to be Oscar Tshebwe 2.0 instead of trying to shoot.

Then if he can get to that level he develop as a shooter while first being a role player like a lot of bigs do. Basically try to follow the Bam Adebayo template.
Oscar was national player of the year and is currently on a two-way contract with Utah. He has played in 18 total NBA games in his career. He's on a path that leads overseas.

I think that Morez will only get better. He's going to be an all conference player at the college level at some point in his career. I don't know if that's enough for the NBA.

His purported NIL deal with Illinois was ~2x a two-way contracts value. Crazy to compare....
 
#357      
They had no idea about Podz. I don't have a lot of faith in their judgement. Even now they have people ridiculously bad-mouthing Podz when they couldn't carry his jock strap.
 
#358      
This is really interesting. I'm not sure how that compares with Kenpom, but their "minutes continuity" benchmark (D-1 average) has dropped from 50% to 33% over the last decade. Just last year to this year it dropped 6 points. It has dropped every year but one the last decade. But all but 1 team in the final four this year had a minutes continuity over 50%. The other team has Cooper Flagg.

Our best teams the last 5 years have had consistent returning starters, above the D-1 average ('21, '22, '24). '21 in particular when we returned 63% of our minutes and were a 1 seed. Our 9-seed in 2023... 15%. This year? 3%.

I struggle to see how this much turnover can result in a deep run next year, absent bringing in a talent on the level of Cooper Flagg. Talent wasn't our issue this year. All the drama aside, we never once got into a groove. Everytime I thought "here we go", something went south. And that was okay, in part, because because it was an overhauled roster and I was excited to watch half these guys develop this off-season and run it back next year. NIL, no NIL, a good number of teams will be running back close to or above 50% of their minutes next season. The best of them will be in the mix at the end of next season. I still have my fingers crossed situations change and we find a way to get 4 meaningful contributors back next season.
 
#360      
Bro Rockford...
Well said.
The players want to play a roll they like or want vs the skill set the player actually has and the coach tries to use and optimize ... for the best of the team?
 
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sacraig

How do we even know he was a bad shooter? I don't think we saw him shoot almost at all. He might be good or terrible, but we don't really have the data to judge.


You honestly think that the staff doesn't chart every single shot in practice/scrimmages ???
Sure they do. But I'm losing faith in their ability to interpret the data.
 
#363      
Bros Attention and Rockford. ..

Tre is going to his 4th school maybe a red flag as to what he thinks his skill set is and how it fits the team? Morez and his family had a second NIL deal going on in Feb?
 
#365      
How do we even know he was a bad shooter? I don't think we saw him shoot almost at all. He might be good or terrible, but we don't really have the data to judge.
Is there a worse shot in college basketball than letting your 61% free throw shooting big man shoot mid-range jumpers?

And if he misses, your best rebounder won’t be in position to get the rebound.
 
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#366      

We attempted over 30 threes per game, which was the fifth most in the country this season. Even more than Alabama.

Clearly they wanted to shoot a lot of threes. If you showed you could make them, even at a below average level, then bombs away.

Obviously Morez is at his best in the post and getting offensive rebounds, but if he was showing any signs that he could hit them with any consistency, why would they have shut that idea down?

The program has no issues with bigs shooting threes, Tomi and Coleman took them all the time. Giorgi and Leron Black shot a decent amount of threes under Brad. Bottom line, if you can make threes (sometimes even if you can't), they let you shoot threes.

That one seems like a manufactured excuse from the Morez camp.
 
#367      
Let's be honest. Dain, from October to March 1st(2024) wasn't exactly a max effort guy. When March rolled around and the BTT and NCAAT rolled around, he was 100% engaged and we saw his full potential.

We got Dain as a transfer. Memphis is his third stop and it looks like March of 2024 might have carried through the 2024-25 season.
I’m not so sure I agree with that. Dain saved our rear in several games, but it seemed like the only time we featured him is when everyone else sucked and Brad brought him off the bench. Dain could have been every bit as good for us as he was for Memphis. I think DGL was the “Dain” this year.
 
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Sure they do. But I'm losing faith in their ability to interpret the data.
Not directly attacking or refuting you sacraig, but you are at least conversing on the subject, so I'll respond. Perhaps they interpreted it correctly? And for whatever reason, the translation from practice to game, just wasn't optimal. By all accounts BH was lighting things up in practice with the 3 ball and getting his defensive assignments correct. And perhaps Morez was not making enough short to midrange shots and showing enough defensive lapses that they insisted he stick with what the data shows during actual games. I just cannot believe, despite what some people want to think, that BH was shooting like crap in practice yet was still given the green light, and that Morez was drilling those short/mid-range shots in practice yet was banished from shooting them in game? Seems kinda absurd.
 
#369      

We attempted over 30 threes per game, which was the fifth most in the country this season. Even more than Alabama.

Clearly they wanted to shoot a lot of threes. If you showed you could make them, even at a below average level, then bombs away.

Obviously Morez is at his best in the post and getting offensive rebounds, but if he was showing any signs that he could hit them with any consistency, why would they have shut that idea down?

The program has no issues with bigs shooting threes, Tomi and Coleman took them all the time. Giorgi and Leron Black shot a decent amount of threes under Brad. Bottom line, if you can make threes (sometimes even if you can't), they let you shoot threes.

That one seems like a manufactured excuse from the Morez camp.
Our starting center literally took 13 shots from the arc in our last game. Clearly, it is allowed…
 
#370      
sacraig

How do we even know he was a bad shooter? I don't think we saw him shoot almost at all. He might be good or terrible, but we don't really have the data to judge.


You honestly think that the staff doesn't chart every single shot in practice/scrimmages ???
BU claimed they were elite shooters in practice. Didn't carry over to the games. That was a huge problem.
 
#371      
I want to see where Morez and Tre White end up. I have a sneaking suspicion that they may follow a Miller/Curbelo path as opposed to a Podzemski/Dainja path. Though some would argue that Dainja, while getting more floor time and being an intergral part of Memphis' success, didn't necessarily improve his game nor make himself more NBA-worthy. I am REALLY curious to see how this years crop of players that will be moving on from the Illini fare next season. Unfortunately, it hasn't been a good move for most former players.
 
#372      
Well, that's one way to look at it.

But people really only remember Championships their teams have won. Cardinal fans still alive today remember 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006, and 2011. Cub fans remember 2016. Even though the Cardinals won 100 games in 2015 they didn't even make it to the WS that year. Most fans couldn't tell you much of anything that happened in 2015 even though to some it was a "moderately successful" 100-win year.

On the other hand, almost every Cardinal fan could tell you what David Freeze did in 2011 Game 6 helping win the WS. That's the difference to me.

If you aren't striving for a Championship, what's the point? It's been 20 years since the Illini have been to a F4 and we've never ever won an NCAA championship in 85 years of the tournament. I'll take one NCAA championship every few decades over decades of "moderate consistency."

If the Illini ever do win a National Championship, people won't soon forget it like they will forget this "moderately successful" year. That's for sure.

But as I said, that's just the way I look at it.
 
#373      
That’s an opinion for sure and most college players are athletic so based on the peer group. He’s strong, heady. I’d say about average among forwards and above average perhaps among centers.
But morez is 6' 9" not tall enough for B10 centers. Look at Georgie and Dain. They needed to shoot 3pointers above 35% but neither could do it.
Did morez shoot 3s in practice? If so was he good or bad? If good in practice, then we should have seen morez shot 3s in games?
 
#375      
So many are so sure that Morez will never be a shooter, but his senior year he made 17 of 50 3 point shots in 34 games. It's not quite the stretch to see more to his game than just a rebounder and garbage guy. But, trashing anyone that leaves seems to be the standard.
How many above average 3 point shooters do you know that shoot 60% from the free throw line?

It’s a statistical oddity itself that Humrichous only shoots 70.5% from the free throw line as an average 3 point shooter.
 
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