Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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IlliniFan42
Something I found interesting is that since 2022, every transfer that received a high-school rating that transferred here got assigned a lower transfer rating than their high-school rating, except for Marcus Domask. In other words, we are almost always the destination for transfers who are trending in the wrong direction before they come here. This is based on 247's ratings.

This applies to Mayer, Shannon, Dainja, Guerrier, Booth, Boswell, and White.
 
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One Man Fast Break
jsmoke2215 said:
How many above average 3 point shooters do you know that shoot 60% from the free throw line?

It’s a statistical oddity itself that Humrichous only shoots 70.5% from the free throw line as an average 3 point shooter.
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He only shot 34 attempts all season. At Evansville with a bigger body of work, he shot 75.7 %. His career D1 average is 74 % because it was weighted more to the Evansville year. Not sure what he shot in NAIA where he likely had even more.
 
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ImGonnaBeILL
Hopefully some of these Arkansas guys enter the portal and O has an in with them from Kentucky

IMO They are some of the most interesting potential guys.
 
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illinoispeak
skyIdub said:
lol if any of you actually believe these players telling you it’s not about the money, boy have I got a beach house for you.
Because when it comes to Loyalty Beach Houses, money truly isn’t an object.
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Gave them a little bit and them and fam don't know how to handle it. Go back to paying their schooling, all their meals, clothes, A+ training, trips, and tell them to be thankful or don't play
 
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lstewart53x3
jsmoke2215 said:
How many above average 3 point shooters do you know that shoot 60% from the free throw line?

It’s a statistical oddity itself that Humrichous only shoots 70.5% from the free throw line as an average 3 point shooter.
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Right. Here was our team’s free throw percentages:

KJ: 84.5%
White: 82.4%
DGL: 80.6%
Boswell: 79%
Ivisic: 75%
Riley: 72.4%
Ben: 70.6%
Morez: 61.8%

So it’s safe to say that Morez was our worst shooter in our top 8 and there’s no way we should have pulled our best rebounder away from the basket to shoot mid-range jumpers or 3’s.

*Note: I still wish Morez was staying—only to play a Kofi like role, not an Ivisic like role.
 
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derrick6
PleaseMakeABowlGame said:
this is soooo wrong lol. morez is like in the top 1% when it comes to athleticsm for big guys in the conference, maybe the nation.
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I disagree. Maybe your definition is different but here is mine:

Height for position: below average
Wingspan (for position implied): average
Vertical: average (at best)
Agility: below average

Of course these are just my observations.

But no way he’s top 1% in power 5.


Edit: googled. Morez 6’9 with 7’0 wingspan…
  • Height: Power forwards in NCAA Power 5 typically range from 6'7" to 6'11".
  • Wingspan: As mentioned, the average wingspan is around 7'0 ¼" to 7'3".
 
#387      
Trueblue777
How about when they transfer out? Are we improving their stock? Must have helped Shannon and Domask’s stock but they were out of eligibility
 
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BoiseBaller
lstewart53x3 said:
Right. Here was our team’s free throw percentages:

KJ: 84.5%
White: 82.4%
DGL: 80.6%
Boswell: 79%
Ivisic: 75%
Riley: 72.4%
Ben: 70.6%
Morez: 61.8%

So it’s safe to say that Morez was our worst shooter in our top 8 and there’s no way we should have pulled our best rebounder away from the basket to shoot mid-range jumpers or 3’s.

*Note: I still wish Morez was staying—only to play a Kofi like role, not an Ivisic like role.
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And yet, the guy only one spot above him had the ultimate green light. 😂
 
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chief
jumpingjack said:
Watching him in pre games, his catch and shoot 3 looked way smoother than any jumper off the dribble. But it's a moot point. We could've utilized him sooner, but the wrist injury and Tomi being sick and injured weren't helpful either.
It just sucks, really enjoyed rooting for him. 🤷‍♂️
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Rez would have developed into a good shooter at Illinois...he was only a frosh and a damn good one at that, but he was not ready to be a shooter, yet. His free throw shooting did improve as the season progressed, which shows development. He will be a beast wherever he goes, sad he stood up the Illiini offer. There were a lot of times throughout the season though where I was frustrated he was not on the floor.....I do wish him well. He was a special recruit for us, one of my favorites of all time!!
 
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LocalChief505
Yes33 said:
I’m not so sure I agree with that. Dain saved our rear in several games, but it seemed like the only time we featured him is when everyone else sucked and Brad brought him off the bench. Dain could have been every bit as good for us as he was for Memphis. I think DGL was the “Dain” this year.
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DGL had so many opportunities to be the spark we needed. He missed on 95% of those opportunities and while I'm not blaming him for our defense as a whole constantly breaking down.... He was involved in that process occurring.
 
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illinicub
I know the name of the game is to win. But why can't the staff do what is best for the team now while showing players like Morez a development path to becoming a player more attractive to the NBA. Seems like that is what is missing. Everyone is so quick to say he doesn't make the outside shot instead of wondering what the staff is working on with him. The whole point of college is to develop your skills.

I think part of the problem is they kept selling Kofi on allowing him to expand his game if he came back but when he came back that didn't happen. (Don't want to litigate if that was a Kofi or staff problem but that is why guys use him as an example.)

Everyone wants to talk about the $$ and that's a big thing but chasing the next big thing instead of developing the players in your program is also an issue.

If they haven't helped Ty with his outside shot in 3 years why would he think staying another year is going to be any better and why would Morez seeing him think it makes sense to stay here to develop his game? I'm not discounting the players responsibility. But no one is talking about the coaches role in helping players grow.
 
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Jhlcjcos
If all the insiders haven’t been run off, wondering on the odds of a commit prior to dead period?
 
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alexander58
Illiniindian said:
What you are pointing out is we didn’t have atheliticaly what it takes to compete against the top teams.

Many fans don’t want to accept that truth.
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I think the lack of athleticism is being overstated. We were in games versus teams that went deep in the tournament. I would argue the inexperience and relative strength of the freshmen (guys that will play in the league) was a bigger factor.
 
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alexander58
Illini 993 said:
So many are so sure that Morez will never be a shooter, but his senior year he made 17 of 50 3 point shots in 34 games. It's not quite the stretch to see more to his game than just a rebounder and garbage guy. But, trashing anyone that leaves seems to be the standard.
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The point is whether, with time, he can be a good enough shooter to play the stretch 4. He wanted it now. Some other school gets to find that out.
 
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Illini-Rule
IlliniCub 16 said:

NCAA Basketball Stats - NCAA BB Team Three Pointers Attempted per Game | TeamRankings.com

NCAA Basketball three pointers attempted per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

We attempted over 30 threes per game, which was the fifth most in the country this season. Even more than Alabama.

Clearly they wanted to shoot a lot of threes. If you showed you could make them, even at a below average level, then bombs away.

Obviously Morez is at his best in the post and getting offensive rebounds, but if he was showing any signs that he could hit them with any consistency, why would they have shut that idea down?

The program has no issues with bigs shooting threes, Tomi and Coleman took them all the time. Giorgi and Leron Black shot a decent amount of threes under Brad. Bottom line, if you can make threes (sometimes even if you can't), they let you shoot threes.

That one seems like a manufactured excuse from the Morez camp.
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On top of that I would bet dollars to donuts that he got to shoot 3's in practice and if the staff said no shooting them in games, there was a good reason.
 
#397      
EyeoftheIllini
IlliniFan42 said:
Something I found interesting is that since 2022, every transfer that received a high-school rating that transferred here got assigned a lower transfer rating than their high-school rating, except for Marcus Domask. In other words, we are almost always the destination for transfers who are trending in the wrong direction before they come here. This is based on 247's ratings.

This applies to Mayer, Shannon, Dainja, Guerrier, Booth, Boswell, and White.
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Not sure your conclusion is necessarily correct. Most 5 and 4 star kids out of HS that then transfer have lower 247 transfer ratings than HS ratings. The exceptions are who 24/7 considers the cream of the crop transfers, and it is true the Illini haven’t necessarily been getting those guys. But even those guys aren’t locks (see AJ Storr).

The players that much more regularly have higher T ratings than HS ratings are the 3 star HS recruits. Domask is the only 3* HS recruit that Illini have recruited as a transfer. Hence, he’s the only one who has a higher T rating than HS rating.

Then under the heading that ratings aren’t the be all and all, Mayer had higher T rating than TSJ. Booth had a higher T rating than Tre White in this class. And though in different classes, Booth also had a higher T rating (.9300) than Marcus (.9100), Quincy (.9000), TSJ (.9200), and Dain (.8900) and same as Mayer (.9300). Maybe the message is we need to stay away from transfers whose rating is .9300. I hope not though as Tilly from Santa Clara and Jacari White, who have been mentioned here, both have .9300 transfer ratings.
 
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