MainelyIllini
- uh, Maine
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Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
No... one cannot be more than 100% in favor of anything
RabidDawgClassic
- Los Angeles, CA
Y’all are picturing this “Hamer problem” as something that exists outside of this board.
Managing Brad Underwood and going against his decision of keeping Hamer (essentially pulling rank and personally firing one of his assistant coaches) are not the same thing... If you want to keep this business narrative going, who in the world pisses off one of their best employees to fire one of their team of underlings? Just not smart unless you want to be seen as a domineering @-hole of a CEO...
In any case, AD's have a lot of things to worry about in this day and age. Who Brad keeps as his 5th assistant probably isn't on the top of Whitman's priority list.
However if you were 2% in favor and changed to 6% in favor, your favorability rating would have increased 200%.No... one cannot be more than 100% in favor of anything
Part of my problem is that Brad doesn’t see the problem … Or is choosing to ignore it …
When you’ve got recruits and recruits families who find Hamer to be “weird” … That’s a problem …
When your defense only looks good against EIU and St Mary of the Woods … And when you face real programs it looks like hot
… That’s a problem … And it starts with Hamer and ends with Brad … That’s ultimately Brad’s responsibility … Needs to be massive improvement next year or we’re gonna be at 1 second weekend in 9 years … Simply not good enough … Not meeting expectations …
OrangeBlue98
Iowa is not in a great spot right now (LvilleILL1)
- Des Moines, IA
I guess “pretending a real problem doesn’t exist” is one way to address the issue.
We played St. Mary of the Woods? How did I miss that game? This also gives me some regional perspective as to your location...not many know of the PomeroysPart of my problem is that Brad doesn’t see the problem … Or is choosing to ignore it …
When you’ve got recruits and recruits families who find Hamer to be “weird” … That’s a problem …
When your defense only looks good against EIU and St Mary of the Woods … And when you face real programs it looks like hot
Needs to be massive improvement next year or we’re gonna be at 1 second weekend in 9 years … Simply not good enough … Not meeting expectations …
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- Batavia
It's so baffling Brad wants to die on this hill. Why wouldn't he do everything possible to upgrade his staff as much as possible?Part of my problem is that Brad doesn’t see the problem … Or is choosing to ignore it …
When you’ve got recruits and recruits families who find Hamer to be “weird” … That’s a problem …
When your defense only looks good against EIU and St Mary of the Woods … And when you face real programs it looks like hot
Needs to be massive improvement next year or we’re gonna be at 1 second weekend in 9 years … Simply not good enough … Not meeting expectations …
Wow crazy you missed that. They scored 120 on us and Hamer did something so terrible I can't even bring myself to describe it. Suffice it to say that prior to the game we had silent commitments from 5 McDonald's All-Americans, all of whom rescinded their commitments after seeing it and stopped answering Brad's and Orlando's phone calls.
I’m a grad school alum of SMWC! Pretty remarkable place and a wonderful visit if someone hasn’t been to campus.
No... one cannot be more than 100% in favor of anything
ptgrd23
- orange county CA
Problem with success is you can get arrogant. Brad does not seem to talk to his senior assistant coaches during game. Maybe he has always been a one man show. It does appear we get out schemed and don't make quick adjustments. Nobody is perfect but Brad seems to excel at recruiting and team makeup which are probably the two most important qualities for a power 5 coach. X&O's would be nice but you are stuck with NW or Nebraska level talent it is not enough.
If Brad loves analytics so much then why is it so hard to see. Just using kenpom.. in the past 6 years we have had 1 season with a top 25 defense. And the last 2 seasons we were 80th and 40th. That's not good.Part of my problem is that Brad doesn’t see the problem … Or is choosing to ignore it …
When you’ve got recruits and recruits families who find Hamer to be “weird” … That’s a problem …
When your defense only looks good against EIU and St Mary of the Woods … And when you face real programs it looks like hot
Needs to be massive improvement next year or we’re gonna be at 1 second weekend in 9 years … Simply not good enough … Not meeting expectations …
I’m sure someone’s got the statistics … But I am pretty confident in saying if you want to keep for Big Ten & National Championships … You need to be top 25 ish in both offensive and defensive efficiency …
Hamer ain’t cutting it …
The problem ain’t offense … I want to see less 3s next year … But Brad has shown he will adjust and find ways to score … Not my concern …
Fix the dang defense … And get me a guy who can recruit dawgs in the United States …
2 new assistant coaches is what’s needed …
Since 2001, 95.7% of the national champions have had a top-22 KenPom offense entering the NCAA Tournament, while 91.3% have had a top-32 KenPom defense.
The guy you’re asking for sounds an awful lot like Chester (ducks).
So in fairness I had to google it, but I find it impossible to fathom there is any place in the state of Indiana that is wonderful.
Hamer gone or demoted yet? If not, why!
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
Illini Total 3 Point Attempts:
2020-21 - 524
2021-22 - 779
2022-23 - 793
2023-24 - 809
2024-25 - 992
mhuml32
Gesture of Northern Aggression
But he's the bad guy around here
So honest question, how does the fact that we jacked up threes with long rebounds & the awful turnovers at the top of the key that lead us to a high number of runouts hurt our defensive numbers?
Don't confuse this was saying our defense wasn't bad, we didn't pass any eye test for defense. But just seemed like some of our offensive choices may be impacting the defensive numbers as well, guessing our points off turnovers numbers were awful as well.
Don't confuse this was saying our defense wasn't bad, we didn't pass any eye test for defense. But just seemed like some of our offensive choices may be impacting the defensive numbers as well, guessing our points off turnovers numbers were awful as well.
Just for some perspective, here is a list of teams that was outside the top 25 in either ORtg or DRtg last season, and their overall KenPom rtg:
1. Alabama (6)
2. Gonzaga (8)
3. Texas Tech (9)
4. Arizona (13)
5. St John's (14)
6. Purdue (15)
7. Kentucky (16)
8. Illinois (17)
9. Texas A&M (18)
10. Missouri (19)
11. UCLA (20)
12. Michigan (21)
13. Clemson (23)
14. Kansas (24)
15. St. Mary's (25)
Green = ORtg outside the top 50
Blue = DRtg outside the top 50
So, it's kind of not unusual for teams to be outside the top 25 on at least one side of the ball. In fact, the majority of even top 25 teams are in that boat. And 6/25 teams are so bad in one department they're outside the top 50. I wonder if the St. John's equivalent of this board is calling for someone's head over their #68 offense? Or Maybe Arizona fans are as upset with one of their assistants over their #38 defense? Who is UConn's Hamer (#75 defense for a 2x defending champ!)?
On the one hand there is obviously a defensive decline over the last couple seasons. And that's not good. But I also wonder to what degree that has been a byproduct of focusing more on offensive efficiency. Is that the right approach though?
Here is a list of teams that were top-10 on defense without being top-ten on offense:
1. St. John's - 2-seed/R32
2. Tennessee - 2-seed/E8
3. Michigan St. - 2-seed/E8
4. Maryland - 4-seed/S16
5. St. Mary's - 7-seed/R32
6. Texas A&M - 4-seed/R32
Not a single team played above its seed. St. John's severely underperformed. A&M slightly underperformed. 50% of these teams made the 2nd weekend.
Here is the opposite list of top-10 offenses that were not also top-10 in defense:
1. Alabama - 2-seed/E8
2. Texas Tech - 3-seed/E8
3. Gonzaga - 8-seed/R32
4. Purdue - 4-seed/S16
5. Missouri - 6-seed/R64
6. BYU - 6-seed/S16 (lost to Bama on this same list)
7. Kentucky - 3-seed/S16
In this list you have Missouri underperforming. But other than that, the other teams perform to seed, with BYU exceeding its seed line to make the 2nd weekend (despite a DRtg of 82), and Tech making the Elite Eight as a 3-seed. Moreover, 5/7 teams that put their eggs in the offense basket made the 2nd weekend.
Obviously being a top defense and top offense is the best thing you can do. But that's hard. It seems like focusing primarily on being a great offense does seem to be the better approach to tournament success.
This is true. But there are metrics that allow for pace of play and other things when determining defensive stats.
But our offensive strategy def stresses our defense a great deal.
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