Coaching Carousel (Football)

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bigcityillini
Naw, I find it entertaining seeing you flail around with these ridiculous takes.

And hey, who needs to convince people when you can create a few more alts and give the illusion of having people agree with you! 2 didn't do it, but maybe 3 will! Keep going!
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How much tin foil do you use for your typical hat? Lol
 
#127      
rtbritt
Great point Jamar!
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🤯 I never considered your name was Jamar. I ALWAYS read your username as Ja-marvelous. (Juh-marvelous) which is probably what you were going for, but I always just assumed you were like “James” or “Jake” and you were marvelous, so it was “Jamarvelous”
 
#128      
ILLINIGRAD2014
ChiefGritty said:
Well but I credit the opposing view here, which is that Bielema wants to do something different on defense than what's common and known to the world of people with same-old P4 credentials. You want people to know how to operate in the world that's coming rather than the world that has been. And that's true of recruiting too, right? Is scouting and evaluation ability, and through that the ability to price players accurately, to know who is worth spending on, now more valuable than "selling" the program? I'm sure there's some of both, but the game is still changing rapidly, there is essentially no one "proven" in that sense, the new college football is being created in real time.

I don't think guys that had filled identical jobs at other P4 schools would be a panacea, not by a long shot. It's bigger-picture than that.


Time will tell whether they are GOOD recruiters, but clearly that's going to be at the center of the job description for both of them. And Wheatley again was on that initial Harbaugh staff, as RB coach, that was transformationally successful on the trail.



I don't think it's as good of a staff as the one we had before, to be honest. But we've changed the plan, I understand the new plan, and I think these guys are qualified to enact that plan (I would say so if they weren't, we've had some wildly unqualified assistant coaches at Illinois over the years). I think if we look back in a year and the plan hasn't worked, the problem will have been what we were trying to do, not the coaches we chose to do it.
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going to answer for my other account (see how ridiculous it sounds). But i agree with a lot of what you said. Time will tell. But if this season ends up being a dud. We need to come right back to this thread and then look at the recruiting during the season. Its a massive risk which i don't think we need to take right now as a program.
 
#129      
Mr. Tibbs
mhuml32 said:
I'll go further and say the angle about bringing in guys with head coaching experience is overblown because, besides Hauck, they were really really bad head coaches. There's nothing I would want to glean from, say, Wheatley's experiencing running Wayne State, that should ever be used for Illinois football. Just come in and focus on the being a position coach because you've proven that's the only thing you have sustained success.
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many of the best fail at times

you don’t measure a man by his failures , rather you measure him how he was able to learn from it and respond to it

often is said you learn more from your failures than you do from your success. just saying

I don’t know a thing about what happened at wayne st, but I’ll say there are always two sides to every coin . highly doubt he’ll get a chance to be HC again . it’s not a job suited for most people
 
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ChiefGritty
ILLINIGRAD2014 said:
going to answer for my other account (see how ridiculous it sounds). But i agree with a lot of what you said. Time will tell. But if this season ends up being a dud. We need to come right back to this thread and then look at the recruiting during the season. Its a massive risk which i don't think we need to take right now as a program.
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The worst case scenario is one in which terrible defensive performance submarines next season, and the reason is very, very clearly that we just did not have enough bodies and talent in the front seven (six?) to have any hope of the new defense working.

That's a problem because that's a die that was cast before Bobby Hauck arrived, it's not his fault that the portal was closed before he got here. So now what do we do? Do we spend energy and money and credibility driving toward a defensive system we aren't sure works? Do we re-pivot back from a position of weakness?

I hope that's not the road we're travelling down, but it's just a fact that what we saw from Henry and the defense last year was like a 4/10 at the absolute worst. Your defense can make it way, way harder to win than that.
 
#132      
TampaToo
Centennial Illini said:
Now I'm totally confused I can't remember if I liked Jamar31 or 32
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ptgrd23
#136      
Mr. Tibbs
I get it .

truth is , more often than not , the really good players in any given sport are lousy at coaching it . not always , just often .
 
#137      
jamie13197
So to those who know, if any. Did our new D coordinator hire him? Or is this coachB? I love the Db coach and now Parker. Setting table to cover all the passing in todays game. Although, the teams that were or are elite still run for a ton of yards.
 
#138      
jamie13197
Just because they fail at being a head coach doesn't mean they are not good position coaches and recruiters. Mike Locksley is the best recruiters ever. Dude can't lead a program at all!
 
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therealmiket86
jamie13197 said:
So to those who know, if any. Did our new D coordinator hire him? Or is this coachB? I love the Db coach and now Parker. Setting table to cover all the passing in todays game. Although, the teams that were or are elite still run for a ton of yards.
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He has played and coached in this system under Rocky Long. So it definitely a Hauck hire. At this point why don’t we try to get Rocky Long on has an analyst.
 
#143      
jamie13197
Rocky is old as Moses. He's out golfing, man loves to golf. Used to play with him frequently. Great man and leader.
 
#144      
Dkayak
Illiniguy74 said:
If it's all about NIL, we should hire competent and cheap coaches and redirect saved coaching salaries to NIL.
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I’m pretty sure you cannot redirect any program money to NIL. Those are separate piles of money from entirely different sources.
 
#147      
AirTran
Dkayak said:
I’m pretty sure you cannot redirect any program money to NIL. Those are separate piles of money from entirely different sources.
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Correct and both have significant report requirements
 
#148      
AirTran
What difference does their record as head coach have to do with being a good poistition coach or learning from the experience? It's been 40 years but I was a film analyst/ game planner in the NCAA once upon a time. And the day to day responsibilities of head coach (including their evaluation of his position coaches, coordinators, recruiting and game prep staffs) require completely different skill and personality.

Give me a single example where BB has failed in terms of who he brought in?

Now I want you to explain how we have been able to compete with the top half of the Big 10 conference when our coaches aren't paid at the same level as those at Michigan, Nebraska, Penn State, USC, Washington, Ohio State, Penn State or even now Indiana or Iowa.

I have also been an NCAA head coach, but in another sport. And someone's historic W-L record (particularly if its poor) can sometimes be a strong attribrute as an assistant.

So with all due respect, without first hand knowledge and conversation with BB, I am going to leave your comments at door, because they don't belong inside the house.
 
#149      
AirTran
CoachHooleyHoo said:
What I see in these coaching moves by BB is a shrewd philosophical shift. Pre-NIL, you needed hungry recruiters who were full of personality, had tons of relationships, and could convince kids to come here. Usually, the most talented teams win, so recruiting was the key to that. But this isn't 2010....see Jerome Tang as exhibit A in basketball. The best recruiter on any staff is NIL $$, period. Seems pretty clear that NIL has spread talent out more b/c everybody has something and can get a kid a good payday. So, I see BB operating like a CEO...1) maximize every NIL dollar by not overpaying a player and or two, 2) have a few ace recruiters that do most of the work on the recruiting trail, and 3) bring in the best football coaches you can get (even though they may not be the best recruiters) so you can outcoach/scheme other teams. Until we get to the next level on NIL money, in my humble opinion, this is the only way to get over the good/not-quite-national-contender hump. I could be way off on this, but I think it's pretty genius.
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Ecellent points. Schools can't "stock up" on players any longer. Hence, BB's comment after New Year's about the level playing field. You can only use 11 players at a time and there are 35,000 FBS and FCS players out there. So its all about the talent evaluation and planning a coach and his staff can undertake.

One other fact here - that BB has also figured out and I have already done the quantitiative work on it. Prior to the NIL and the expansion of the CFP, The correlation between top 15 recruiting Freshman class and appearance in the CFP was 77%. As of today, there is no correlation between individual or team recruiting rankings and invites to the CFP.
 
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EyeoftheIllini
therealmiket86 said:
He has played and coached in this system under Rocky Long. So it definitely a Hauck hire. At this point why don’t we try to get Rocky Long on has an analyst.
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While his time at San Diego St and with Rocky Long was the key element of the hire, don’t think that necessarily makes it a Hauck hire (or only a Hauck hire). While certainly a better than average chance they’ve met, their careers didn’t cross at San Diego St. Likely shouldn’t discount the Patriots connection. Thomas worked with Vrabel while he was with Cleveland and O’Brien at BC is a Patriots guy.
 
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