College Sports (Basketball)

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grue2
The crappy bowl games survive. The last few take "exception" teams that are 5-7 (since the NCAA can't even defend their 6 win minimum policy). Those 5 wins are usually two wins from early season "buy" games and three wins vs. other conference cellar dwellers. Oh boy, what a game. The payout to teams is pretty much travel expenses, yet teams accept "to give the players the experience".
 
#28      
RabidDawgClassic
Illini2010-11 said:
Speaking of, can't see that tourney surviving. Mediocre teams playing in a tourney the week of the Final Four. You know it is bad when they have to get all the way down to Rutgers at 14-19 to fill out an 8 team field.
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I don’t think it’s about the quality of the field… it’s about having more games to bet on. It’s held at the MGM Grand. Winning teams gets NIL money. Seven extra games to bring in gambling revenue.
 
#29      
Illini2010-11
RabidDawgClassic said:
I don’t think it’s about the quality of the field… it’s about having more games to bet on. It’s held at the MGM Grand. Winning teams gets NIL money. Seven extra games to bring in gambling revenue.
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Maybe, but it is a lot of overhead for a very empty arena in QF's, to then have the semi finals and finals at the flagship arena in Vegas (T-Mobile Arena) with equally limited seats purchased. The biggest revenue stream was the Fox broadcasting arrangement for the tournament, but I expect that to dry up if they had little viewership.

There are always sports to bet on, so I am not sure that volume of extra games is that much more revenue from a gambling perspective (it probably distributed some bets from other events around). This was a big arrangement to try and get more teams fan bases to travel to Vegas, and it has not really worked out well.

I believe that Vegas is hosting the Final Four in 2028, so I would not be completely surprised if the Crown Tourney folds by then (especially if the field for the tourney is in fact expanding).
 
#30      
sacraig
sharpshot16 said:
The numbers Misko is asking for his guys... :rolleyes:
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Precisely why I feel like we eventually wind up with a CBA for college athletes. The next logical step here is for NIL contracts to be multi-year with penalties for backing out. Those will sway the pendulum back in favor of the schools eventually, and the result will be a CBA that puts ground rules on how these contracts can be structured.
 
#31      
Navy_illini
sacraig said:
Precisely why I feel like we eventually wind up with a CBA for college athletes. The next logical step here is for NIL contracts to be multi-year with penalties for backing out. Those will sway the pendulum back in favor of the schools eventually, and the result will be a CBA that puts ground rules on how these contracts can be structured.
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There is a new executive order that goes into effect in August. It will be challenged but there will be one free transfer then you can’t transfer with out sitting out a year until you graduate. That will make things more like days of old

Other idea I thought was interesting but didn’t get put into the order was if a player left school A for school b. Then school b would pay school a a certain percentage of the players new salary. That way smaller schools don’t get robbed.

I don’t see the existing model lasting long $5 million for one player. Basketball only has 10-13 players but football has a lot more. You are looking at 50-75 million per year to have competitive team in a P4 conference
 
#33      
Rebounding Dog
Navy_illini said:
There is a new executive order that goes into effect in August. It will be challenged but there will be one free transfer then you can’t transfer with out sitting out a year until you graduate. That will make things more like days of old

Other idea I thought was interesting but didn’t get put into the order was if a player left school A for school b. Then school b would pay school a a certain percentage of the players new salary. That way smaller schools don’t get robbed.

I don’t see the existing model lasting long $5 million for one player. Basketball only has 10-13 players but football has a lot more. You are looking at 50-75 million per year to have competitive team in a P4 conference
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If it happens… it makes sense. I have been saying this for a while now. Players would really need to consider when and where and how many doll hairs! Gotta choose wisely! Imagine that🙂
 
#34      
Illini2010-11
Navy_illini said:
There is a new executive order that goes into effect in August. It will be challenged but there will be one free transfer then you can’t transfer with out sitting out a year until you graduate. That will make things more like days of old

Other idea I thought was interesting but didn’t get put into the order was if a player left school A for school b. Then school b would pay school a a certain percentage of the players new salary. That way smaller schools don’t get robbed.

I don’t see the existing model lasting long $5 million for one player. Basketball only has 10-13 players but football has a lot more. You are looking at 50-75 million per year to have competitive team in a P4 conference
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That EO will never go into place. It is a near certainty to be blocked by the courts before August. There is a reason nobody is really talking about this.

The second idea is challenging, as it would require the players to be employees with contracts to the school. Easy to see why it did not make it into the order.

It is a difficult situation, and none of these proposals seem to have the athlete's best interest in mind, imo.
 
#35      
Navy_illini
Illini2010-11 said:
That EO will never go into place. It is a near certainty to be blocked by the courts before August. There is a reason nobody is really talking about this.

The second idea is challenging, as it would require the players to be employees with contracts to the school. Easy to see why it did not make it into the order.

It is a difficult situation, and none of these proposals seem to have the athlete's best interest in mind, imo.
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I have no doubt that it will be challenged Congress needs to pass something for it to stick and even then it will be challenged
 
#36      
RabidDawgClassic
sacraig said:
Precisely why I feel like we eventually wind up with a CBA for college athletes. The next logical step here is for NIL contracts to be multi-year with penalties for backing out. Those will sway the pendulum back in favor of the schools eventually, and the result will be a CBA that puts ground rules on how these contracts can be structured.
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NIL contracts can already be multi year and they can be contractually binding…. BUT…. they’re can’t be tied to pay for play to a specific school. So Twin City Radiator can make a deal with Mihailo Petrovic for two years. If Petrovic goes to North Carolina, the company still holds his NIL rights, but probably wouldn’t want them anymore. As long as Petrovic agrees to the terms of the NIL deal - which again, can’t involve pay for play to a specific team, Twin City Radiator is still on the hook.
 
#37      
sacraig
Navy_illini said:
There is a new executive order that goes into effect in August. It will be challenged but there will be one free transfer then you can’t transfer with out sitting out a year until you graduate. That will make things more like days of old

Other idea I thought was interesting but didn’t get put into the order was if a player left school A for school b. Then school b would pay school a a certain percentage of the players new salary. That way smaller schools don’t get robbed.

I don’t see the existing model lasting long $5 million for one player. Basketball only has 10-13 players but football has a lot more. You are looking at 50-75 million per year to have competitive team in a P4 conference
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Color me surprised if that survives a legal challenge.
 
#38      
bdutts
RabidDawgClassic said:
NIL contracts can already be multi year and they can be contractually binding…. BUT…. they’re can’t be tied to pay for play to a specific school. So Twin City Radiator can make a deal with Mihailo Petrovic for two years. If Petrovic goes to North Carolina, the company still holds his NIL rights, but probably wouldn’t want them anymore. As long as Petrovic agrees to the terms of the NIL deal - which again, can’t involve pay for play to a specific team, Twin City Radiator is still on the hook.
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Not tied to pay for play...this makes me laugh. Not singling you out, of course that's the case where it's not tied to pay for play but we all know the truth. The sooner there is a CBA for college athletics, the better.
 
#41      
RabidDawgClassic
Illini2010-11 said:
That EO will never go into place. It is a near certainty to be blocked by the courts before August. There is a reason nobody is really talking about this.

The second idea is challenging, as it would require the players to be employees with contracts to the school. Easy to see why it did not make it into the order.

It is a difficult situation, and none of these proposals seem to have the athlete's best interest in mind, imo.
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Fun fact: most, if not all, executive orders never go into effect. They are a show for the cameras and, because they are not crafted by lawmakers, are almost always successfully challenged in court.
 
#44      
ChiefGritty
ChiTown said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2041852893934862368
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In all seriousness this would be a much much better system and would head off so much of the emerging concern around professionals (foreign or domestic) invading college basketball.

It would also create a more coherent platform upon which the transfer question can be dealt with.
 
#46      
RabidDawgClassic
ChiTown said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2041852893934862368
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“No waiver requests, redshirts or exceptions will be permitted, except for a small group of outliers (those on maternity leave, military service or religious missions).”

PLAYER: I hurt my ankle so I’m on a religious mission.

NCAA: What’s your religion?

PLAYER: The Church of Communal Imbibement. We meet every Friday and Saturday night at Kams. My mission is to convert the non-believers and have them join our thirsty flock.

NCAA: That’s not a real religion!

PLAYER’S LAWYER: Let’s let the court decide what a real religion is, shall we?
 
#47      
RabidDawgClassic
bdutts said:
Not tied to pay for play...this makes me laugh. Not singling you out, of course that's the case where it's not tied to pay for play but we all know the truth. The sooner there is a CBA for college athletics, the better.
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Of course we know the truth, but as long as schools wish to have donors pay the players instead of actually employing them, the truth won’t be contractually binding.
 
#48      
Battle89
Illini2010-11 said:
I am sure that is going to be challenged successfully. I am thinking immediately of a scenario of a student athlete who was in the military and is in mid-20s at time of entry into school.

These one size fits all approaches are silly, imo.
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Or BYU-type missionary work, or any of a dozen other reasons a young person delayed school.

Edit: covered more humorously by Rabid already!
 
#49      
Battle89
RabidDawgClassic said:
“No waiver requests, redshirts or exceptions will be permitted, except for a small group of outliers (those on maternity leave, military service or religious missions).”

PLAYER: I hurt my ankle so I’m on a religious mission.

NCAA: What’s your religion?

PLAYER: The Church of Communal Imbibement. We meet every Friday and Saturday night at Kams. My mission is to convert the non-believers and have them join our thirsty flock.

NCAA: That’s not a real religion!

PLAYER’S LAWYER: Let’s let the court decide what a real religion is, shall we?
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#50      
HereSoIDontGetFined
Illini2010-11 said:
I am sure that is going to be challenged successfully. I am thinking immediately of a scenario of a student athlete who was in the military and is in mid-20s at time of entry into school.

These one size fits all approaches are silly, imo.
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Except there's plenty of precedent for having leagues restricted by age. Happens all over youth sports.
 
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