College Sports (Basketball)

#126      
OrangeBlue98
Epsilon said:
Really not interested in seeing more sub .500 conference-record teams from major conferences get in. I’d rather see the low- or mid- major teams that dominated their conference play that just somehow lost their conference tournament get in finally. That’s the best way to expand this thing.
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We all know that isn’t happening. This is all about Bruce Pearl throwing a hissy fit that his kid’s team didn’t get in this year and the power conferences wanting more teams in.

We know who will really benefit.
 
#128      
altgeld88
Fighter of the Nightman said:
The combination of a level of blind obsession with chasing the money and delusionally inept middle manager energy it takes to think expanding the NCAA Tournament is a good idea is both breath taking and astonishly common among the people who decide this stuff, lol.

I really don’t think it’s as simple as fat cat executives knowing they’re screwing up the mystique of March Madness and laughing all the way to the bank … I think the types of people who are in the room talking are actually so out of touch that they think anybody wants this purely as a fan.
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British historian Robert Conquest's third law of politics applies here:

The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.
 
#129      
The Sprouting Divot
FeelYourPaign said:
I think the evidence of how many fans want this will be in the pools. How many pools will ignore those first 12 games and ask you to pick only the 64? I predict that 99 % of pools will ignore the play ins and pools will continue to start on Thursday.
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So everyone has to wait until Wednesday night to begin evaluating their brackets?

Seems like this is a great way to ruin most pools and contests and leave only app-based gambling on individual games.

The morons responsible for this should be hung.
 
#130      
pruman91
altgeld88 said:
British historian Robert Conquest's third law of politics applies here:

The behavior of any bureaucratic organization can best be understood by assuming that it is controlled by a secret cabal of its enemies.
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#135      
Navy_illini
Oracle21 said:
I think the NCAA ideally wants to figure out a way to eliminate the non-competitive 16th seed teams from low major conferences and replace them with better teams.

Here’s how I would do it: If the 24 worst teams had to play their way in to the tourney, then the top 52 (seeds 1 thru 13) should be locked in whether they are auto qualifiers or at larges.

So the 1st round would like.
#24/#1 for the #14
#23/#2 for the #14
#22/#3 for the #14
#21/#4 for the #14
#20/#5 for the #15
#19/#6 for the #15
#18/#7 for the #15
#17/#8 for the #15
#16/#9 for the #16
#15/#10 for the #16
#14/#11 for the #16
#13/#12 for the #16

If the NCAA did it this way it’d make the tourney way stronger by the time you got to the Round of 64.

For this past season based on Kenpom the bottom 12 seeded teams were all auto bids:

Prairie View- #281 (16)
Lehigh-#292 (16)
LIU #216 (16)
Howard #196 (16)
Tenn St #191 (15)
UMBC #187 (16)
Queens #186 (15)
Furman #184 (15)
Siena #180 (16)
Penn #156 (14)
Idaho #155 (15)
Kennesaw St-#149 (14)

And the best 12 Kenpom teams not selected that had at least winning records:

Auburn
Oklahoma
Cincinnati
Indiana
New Mexico
San Diego State
Seton Hall
West Virginia
Tulsa
Grand Canyon
Boise State
Virginia Tech

So imagine instead of the upper 12 teams being the (14-16 seeds), you had the bottom 12 teams in those spots instead.
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Until u do something like that adding more teams is pointless.
 
#139      
Piotyr
So, effectively, the change means the "Last 4 out" and "Next 4 out" are included in the tournament, and the 12 seeds will all be the at large play-ins, and the 16 seeds and 2 15 seeds will all be play-ins.

This does have a side effect of making the 15 and 16 seeds that get into the tournament stronger (and the 13 and 14 seeds by proxy, High Point gets bumped to a 13 in this scenario for this year).
 
#140      
hangdog
Piotyr said:
So, effectively, the change means the "Last 4 out" and "Next 4 out" are included in the tournament, and the 12 seeds will all be the at large play-ins, and the 16 seeds and 2 15 seeds will all be play-ins.

This does have a side effect of making the 15 and 16 seeds that get into the tournament stronger (and the 13 and 14 seeds by proxy, High Point gets bumped to a 13 in this scenario for this year).
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Great. Just when the ILL are becoming a perennial 1/2 seed, the 15/16 seeds are getting better. This has Hoosier 💩 all over it.🤮🤑
 
#141      
wc_illini
Piotyr said:
So, effectively, the change means the "Last 4 out" and "Next 4 out" are included in the tournament, and the 12 seeds will all be the at large play-ins, and the 16 seeds and 2 15 seeds will all be play-ins.

This does have a side effect of making the 15 and 16 seeds that get into the tournament stronger (and the 13 and 14 seeds by proxy, High Point gets bumped to a 13 in this scenario for this year).
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Are we seeing any definitive sources clarifying which teams would be in these play-in games? I've seen conflicting statements, as well as one that says it's TBD (which I'm inclined to think is correct since none of the other opinions seem backed by anything authoritative).
 
#142      
altgeld88
madillini4 said:
Making the tournament used to mean something. How sad.
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It's devolving into the NHL playoff slate c. 1980 when 16 of 21 teams would make the playoffs, rendering the regular season meaningless.
 
#143      
Piotyr
#146      
PapaKvells
HTime said:
Thoughts on getting rid of the NIT tournament and going to 96 teams. Top 8 seeds get a bye. Stop calling it the play in games (derogatory anyway) and make it the field of 96. In the BIG tournament teams get byes and I assume other conferences do the same. Why not with the NCAA Tournament? I don’t watch the NIT, guessing others don’t. Obviously fewer games but surely more would watch than the NIT.
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May as well make it 100 and only the one seeds get byes. If a team is going to complain about being on the wrong side of the bubble they really have no teeth.
 
#147      
lstewart53x3
Piotyr said:
I mean, it's expanding from 68 to 76 of 365 teams (20.8%). It's still the most exclusive tournament in college and professional sports, edging pretty close to baseball now (which is at 22%)
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Plus, when the tournament originally expanded to 64, there were 282 D1 teams at the time, so 22.7% made the tourney. With 365 teams in D1 today, 76 teams making it is a lower percentage at 20.8% like you said.
 
#148      
altgeld88
Piotyr said:
I mean, it's expanding from 68 to 76 of 365 teams (20.8%). It's still the most exclusive tournament in college and professional sports, edging pretty close to baseball now (which is at 22%)
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The difference is that the marginal difference in quality between the top 50 or so colelge basketball teams and the next 25 in the seriatim is substantial. Look at the difference between the 48-68 seeds in the tourney compared with NIT teams, let alone CBI teams.
 
#149      
illinifan31
This just protects higher seeds from getting upset by having more of them playing teams who just played a game two nights earlier, maybe even 2 games more now. The play in teams will be more tired.
 
#150      
Illinicpa14
illinifan31 said:
This just protects higher seeds from getting upset by having more of them playing teams who just played a game two nights earlier, maybe even 2 games more now. The play in teams will be more tired.
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Creates a big difference in first round opponent for 1-3 seed vs 4-5. Basically all your 12s and potentially some 13s based on the year could be power teams; then you move up one seed line and you’re playing Penn.
 
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