Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Illinicpa14
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Bucktown
lstewart53x3 said:
From 1998-2016, 19 years spanning 4 head coaches, 28 top 100 players. From 2017-2026, 10 years and 1 head coach, 27 top 100 players.

One more and he will have matched Kruger, Self, Weber, and Groce combined.
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9 of Underwoods are transfers and assuming the ranking is based on high school, but still impressive. Also the greater player movement makes it more likely to have higher numbers.
 
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ptgrd23
GatorMcKlusky said:
He and Mason Martin are the modern day version of Jim Stack and Kevin Boyle.
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Wow the old St. Laurence HS pair. Those were some great IHSA tournament teams.

Boyle went to Iowa 10 ppg 6 rbg played for some very good Lute Olson teams. went to NCAA 4 years in row including 1 final 4

Stack went to NW where he averaged 14 ppg for some very bad teams. He worked in NBA and was GM of Timberwolves for 5 years.
 
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Grandpa
Emerson Bigguns said:
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Technically, they were produced by their parents. Cal just convinced them to take the bag from UK. Pope has the bag now. Can he make those dollars go farther?


not sure GIF by Night At The Museum
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No, those dollars don't go as far, because lots of teams have a bag now.
 
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Grandpa
9 of Underwoods are transfers and assuming the ranking is based on high school, but still impressive. Also the greater player movement makes it more likely to have higher numbers.
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Plus Underwood can get in bidding wars for recruits. It's a different game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why are people so insistent to compare apples and oranges?
 
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jamarvelous31
Illinicpa14 said:
In fairness to the other guys, the volume of the transfer portal gives underwood bites at the Apple. By this definition, Colorado state getting Carey Booth counts coming off not playing at Illinois.

That said, you can clearly see the level of talent is high and even just looking at HS recruits (which all doesn’t count a guy like KJ or Mirk)
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Yeah a lot of dudes have transferred out (15!). IMO it's a good thing, allows for accountability and competition that was missing during the end of Weber & Groce.

But if we're counting where they ended up then Weber/Groce lose 8: Legion, Coleman-lands, Carwell, Nunn, Shaw, Henry, Head, & DJ Williams. ...All before you could transfer freely.

I don't think we have a final 4 team in 05 under the current rules. At least 2 of Dee, Deron & Luther follow Self. Given how pissed he was he might have taken the entire starting 5..
 
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grue2
lstewart53x3 said:
From 1998-2016, 19 years spanning 4 head coaches, 28 top 100 players. From 2017-2026, 10 years and 1 head coach, 27 top 100 players.

One more and he will have matched Kruger, Self, Weber, and Groce combined.
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What are the numbers for average number of top 100 recruits/year by coach? I suspect that throwing Weber and Groce in to the mix really dilutes the Kruger/Self numbers.
 
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Oracle21
Illiniguy13 said:
I fondly recall posters like Obelix and certain others saying BU didn't have the recruiting chops to succeed here.
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I don’t really see “recruiting” as a thing anymore. I see it as a GM of a pro team. If the owner is willing to spend, it’ll be much easier to land guys you want. If they are not, then you better be good at Moneyball.

I think this staff is good at analytics and identifying what is valuable and putting an appropriate price on it. And they have enough money to land the guys they want. I don’t think it says anything about their recruiting chops tho. I mean BYU’s coach isn’t a great recruiter bc he landed AJ Dybantsa. He simply paid the most.
 
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jamarvelous31
Oracle21 said:
I don’t really see “recruiting” as a thing anymore. I see it as a GM of a pro team. If the owner is willing to spend, it’ll be much easier to land guys you want. If they are not, then you better be good at Moneyball.

I think this staff is good at analytics and identifying what is valuable and putting an appropriate price on it. And they have enough money to land the guys they want. I don’t think it says anything about their recruiting chops tho. I mean BYU’s coach isn’t a great recruiter bc he landed AJ Dybantsa. He simply paid the most.
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This argument ignores the existence of Mark Pope
 
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Iamgroot
Are we really married to the positional size thing, or is it just a differentiating factor, all else being relatively equal? I have a hard time believing we'd pass on a top 20 kid because he isn't tall enough.

If he has entourage or attitude issues, maybe...

I thought we passed on Jeremy Fears because we wanted his brother, and they weren't going to play together due to both wanting to play point. (maybe I'm misremembering...)
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Im not sure if its the positional size or his shooting.i do remember the rumors of not wanting Jeremy because we wanted his brother.im not sure if thats why we passed on him because personally I think it was more of Jeremy shooting ability that Brad decided to pass on him but I could be wrong on that.i wish I could of been a fly on the wall for that recruitment along with this recruitment I guess time will time or hopefully somebody that does know can share
 
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Iamgroot
Oracle21 said:
I don’t really see “recruiting” as a thing anymore. I see it as a GM of a pro team. If the owner is willing to spend, it’ll be much easier to land guys you want. If they are not, then you better be good at Moneyball.

I think this staff is good at analytics and identifying what is valuable and putting an appropriate price on it. And they have enough money to land the guys they want. I don’t think it says anything about their recruiting chops tho. I mean BYU’s coach isn’t a great recruiter bc he landed AJ Dybantsa. He simply paid the most.
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Id agree same with kelsey at Louisville hes done nothing to lure recruits with prior success or development just Louisville alumni are throwing but loads of cash hoping he'll make a breakthrough this season no excuses if he dont succeed id imagine he'd be out the door
 
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artist3
Oracle21 said:
I don’t really see “recruiting” as a thing anymore. I see it as a GM of a pro team. If the owner is willing to spend, it’ll be much easier to land guys you want. If they are not, then you better be good at Moneyball.

I think this staff is good at analytics and identifying what is valuable and putting an appropriate price on it. And they have enough money to land the guys they want. I don’t think it says anything about their recruiting chops tho. I mean BYU’s coach isn’t a great recruiter bc he landed AJ Dybantsa. He simply paid the most.
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It’s not that cut and dry though. Kentucky is throwing money at anyone and everyone but has missed out on so many top targets because Pope appears to be a poor recruiter.
 
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pruman91
Emerson Bigguns said:
Are we really married to the positional size thing, or is it just a differentiating factor, all else being relatively equal? I have a hard time believing we'd pass on a top 20 kid because he isn't tall enough.

If he has entourage or attitude issues, maybe...

I thought we passed on Jeremy Fears because we wanted his brother, and they weren't going to play together due to both wanting to play point. (maybe I'm misremembering...)
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we got Lee recently who is a smaller guard.....lots of possible reasons other than size IMHO...........
 
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EyeoftheIllini
GatorMcKlusky said:
He and Mason Martin are the modern day version of Jim Stack and Kevin Boyle.
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Haven’t thought of those two names in a long time. My sophomore year of HS, St Laurence beat us (H-F) by three or four in super sectionals. Heartbreaker especially because our team the year before, which was probably even better, lost to Thornridge in OT in supers. That team was led by senior guard Dave Goff and junior center Mike Clark.

I believe Goff was all-state and he also won state doubles championship in tennis. Went to Texas A&M and set the school’s single session and career records for assists. Think they’ve been broken, but still near the top in both. His senior year there TA&M lost in Sweet Sixteen to eventual champs Louisville. Clark went to Oregon and had a pretty good career. Think he was drafted somewhere in mid-rounds back when they a bunch of rounds.
 
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pruman91
I talked to one of my UK friends after the news on Moreno returning and the signing of Mem!@#$% and he said point blank " Pope will screw up whatever roster they end up with "........he is a life long UK fan and this is the most unhappy he has ever been..........there is a groundswell of anger that Pope is still the coach.............there really really is................
 
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