2017 Coaching Carousel

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CoalCity

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St Paul, MN
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Second and Chalmers said:
Also, he's not from Bismarck, he's from Mayville, ND, a tiny little town that coincidentally also produced Lute Olson.
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Thought I saw on one of the previous posts that he was from Bismarck. Mayville is definitely closer to Champaign but it's still a pretty good haul. Interesting that Lute is from there too. Northeastern North Dakota isn't generally thought of as a basketball hotbed.

Anyway, he could be an interesting target. We'll see.
 
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CoalCity

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St Paul, MN
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thethrash said:
He is entrenched there and has had plenty of offers. 10 years of sustained success at a school that had no history of success is an awesome track record. Getting a coach with power 5 success that isn't a retread is a complete pipe dream. List some realistic options.
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A year ago would anyone have thought that Lovie Smith, Garrick McGee and Hardy Nickerson would be involved with Illinois football? I wouldn't put anything past young Mr. Whitman.
 
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Deleted member 19448

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One wonders if Tupper got some sort of high sign that change is imminent with that column. Pretty brutal but spot on in his assessment.


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#181      

UpstateRusty

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Can hardly take anymore

Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm an old guy and have watched Illini Basketball for 30 years. My wife knows it is my special treat to watch Illini BB anytime I can.

I told my better half when I was watching the West Virginia game that Illinois needs to get a new coach. I really like Groce, but he is not getting it done and it is embarrassing to see a team with no sense of ugency like this team. Don't be too brutal on me, but I can hardly take this frustration anymore.

I think Illini basketball has the horses, they have no teamster. It appears the players are just not given the guidance they need to be winners. My hope is that JW can hit a homerun and find a coach that can get this program back on track.

Dang, I miss the "Flyin Illini"! :frustrated:
 
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hermie1985

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TCTORNADO said:
"I no longer believe what I'm told." Yikes
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I felt that way when Tate started ahead of TJL early on. The whole "players play players" seems like something Groce heard somewhere else so he repeated it often.

Full disclosure: I haven't watched a whole game because I had no hopes of being substantially better with Tate or Abrams, and what I did watch didn't really change my opinion.
 
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Smacko

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Lexington, KY
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hermie1985 said:
I felt that way when Tate started ahead of TJL early on. The whole "players play players" seems like something Groce heard somewhere else so he repeated it often.

Full disclosure: I haven't watched a whole game because I had no hopes of being substantially better with Tate or Abrams, and what I did watch didn't really change my opinion.
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Tate has always been in way over his head. He was brought in as a last second stop gap recruit, and the fact that 4 years later he is still seeing the court AT ALL is an indictment of the coaching staff.
 
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othawhitemeat

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I know it is very unlikely, but I would love a chance with Bardo as head coach, Gill, Deon Thomas, and Roger Powell Jr. As assistants. Thomas and Roger provide experience and ties. Gill brings the passion and Chicago connection s. While a heck if a leap Bardo was a very smart player, a very smart analyst, has connections throughout Big 10, is an alumni, and meets the BOT AA credentials. Otherwise, I would love the long shot in Gregg Marshall
 
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TCTORNADO

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Smacko said:
Tate has always been in way over his head. He was brought in as a last second stop gap recruit, and the fact that 4 years later he is still seeing the court AT ALL is an indictment of the coaching staff.
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Well, he's got 34 career starts and counting.:D
 
#186      

haasi

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New York
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Chris Mack?


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fighting ILLINI 23

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Would be a great get. However, I don't see it happening. Xavier is in a much better position compared to us. Also is a almuni of xavier, and has spent multiple years coaching at Xavier (assistant -- 2004-2009) (hc-- 2009-2016)
 
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cjcastan

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thethrash said:
McDermott was successful but never won more than 23 games or won a NCAA tournament game, which is nothing compared to Jacobson. As far as job offers, there isn't anything concrete about past job offers, but that isn't surprising as there wouldn't be if he didn't seriously entertain them. Scouring the internet it is apparent he loves Cedar Falls because it offers him a low-key place to raise a family, which is analogous to how he grew up and a low-pressure situation, which is also congruent with raising a family. I have also gathered that he has ambition to at least have a chance to win big (he has referenced Brad Stevens, Mark Few and Greg Marshall as coaches that have had a chance at winning at the highest level at a mid-major). My conclusion is that he may listen to a dynamic athletic director at a university that has a small town feel that may be just close enough to his roots....that offers him up to $3M per year.
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Shoot if you want to throw 3M Jacobsen's way, we might as well offer Miller 4M. I bet that would get the job done for Archie.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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Chicago, IL
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fighting ILLINI 23 said:
Would be a great get. However, I don't see it happening. Xavier is in a much better position compared to us. Also is a almuni of xavier, and has spent multiple years coaching at Xavier (assistant -- 2004-2009) (hc-- 2009-2016)
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The only relevant thing you mentioned is that he went there. Every AD and coach worth his salt knows that it simply shouldn't be hard to win here. Period. I think we finally have the AD in place who can convince these coaches who know it's POSSIBLE that it could be PROBABLE with the right leadership. Mark my words, Whitman will break the bank and more or less have his pick of the litter.

If you were a coach who truly believed, deep down, that you could succeed at the highest level, you'd be a moron not to take this job. It's BEGGING to be successful!
 
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illiniCA

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DC Area
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Ulysses Everett McGill said:
Wow, he's fed up. Saying he's done w/ JT and calling out JCL's one-dimensionness and MM and MT's defensive ineptitude seems pretty harsh for Tupper this early (not that any of it's not the gospel truth). No dig at Groce though, other than maybe saying sit JT and play TJL.
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That's the thing. I don't blame the players for the Winthrop or FSU game. The article should be about with groce and his development of payers and in game coaching... instead it's about inadequacies of players.
 
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ritster

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Wheaton, IL
ritster
Second and Chalmers said:
Tate doesn't call for coach firings. His editorial position has always been that it is impossible to win at Illinois in any sport.
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And Tate's attitude has been a self fulfilling prophecy. That attitude has to go. It's time for Tate to hang that negative "it can't be done here" attitude up. If any one of us did that in our personal life or business we would be abysmal failures.
 
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Illinijose

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I have seen enough college bb to know that unless you hire an impact coach at a blueblood program you have a hard time turning things around. Also more often than not, many coaches success at one program doesn't translate to the same success elsewhere.

The Illinois recruiting scene is very fickle. AAU and HS coaches have not bought into the new coach as quickly.

So I'm not ready to turn the page after one bad week this year. Not ready to throw away what is looking like a very good recruiting class. I have seen enough of Tilmon to see he is the athletic big that will defend the interior and score inside as well. Damonte often times looks like a man among boys, not a one dimensional 3 point shooter. Frazier is better than expected so far.

Like I mentioned before I think there needs a change of the asst coaches. I haven't seen enough from some of the coaches in player preparation, development, and recruiting. The only coach I have seen doing drills with players is Walker and he appears to be their top recruiter as well.
 
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Obelix

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cjcastan said:
Hasn't Archie turned down comparable jobs as 2016 vintage Illinois?

I mean if this 2003 Illinois or even 2012 Illinois I would feel better about our chances.
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Yes, he has. And that is true with most names thrown here. If you can get Archie Miller, it is a home run hire. Whether we can get him or not is another question. To be successful at Illinois, a coach needs to be a good recruiter. You need to get the talent. It does not mean that you can win if you are a bad X's O's coach, but you will not outsmart B1G coaches with your game coaching ability.

Bill Self is a HOF coach. I think he is a good game coach (others disagree), but not exceptional. Yet, he will always get the talent to compete, even dominate within his conference. He was able to deal with HS and AAU coaches in Illinois and is able to deal with them everywhere. He does not avoid it. As hard as it is, it is a lot more difficult to find the next Bo Ryan at Illinois than the next Bill Self.
 
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hermie1985

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Illinijose said:
I have seen enough college bb to know that unless you hire an impact coach at a blueblood program you have a hard time turning things around. Also more often than not, many coaches success at one program doesn't translate to the same success elsewhere.

The Illinois recruiting scene is very fickle. AAU and HS coaches have not bought into the new coach as quickly.

So I'm not ready to turn the page after one bad week this year. Not ready to throw away what is looking like a very good recruiting class. I have seen enough of Tilmon to see he is the athletic big that will defend the interior and score inside as well. Damonte often times looks like a man among boys, not a one dimensional 3 point shooter. Frazier is better than expected so far.

Like I mentioned before I think there needs a change of the asst coaches. I haven't seen enough from some of the coaches in player preparation, development, and recruiting. The only coach I have seen doing drills with players is Walker and he appears to be their top recruiter as well.
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I think Groce stays. Recruiting has finally picked up. Frazier and Tilmon need to get on campus. We will see if an increase in talent makes him a better coach. I don't buy the rhetoric on here that our talent is "solid" but I think it's getting better. I think we need an assistant that can really teach the game. A Tex Winter type character. We have taken to many rushed or bad shots since Self departed. Someone needs to fix that ASAP.
 
#197      

haasi

haasi
New York
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If the problem is that we lack an assistant who can coach the game, that falls on Groce. he needs to salvage the year to salvage his job


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hermie1985

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Obelix said:
Yes, he has. And that is true with most names thrown here. If you can get Archie Miller, it is a home run hire. Whether we can get him or not is another question. To be successful at Illinois, a coach needs to be a good recruiter. You need to get the talent. It does not mean that you can win if you are a bad X's O's coach, but you will not outsmart B1G coaches with your game coaching ability.

Bill Self is a HOF coach. I think he is a good game coach (others disagree), but not exceptional. Yet, he will always get the talent to compete, even dominate within his conference. He was able to deal with HS and AAU coaches in Illinois and is able to deal with them everywhere. He does not avoid it. As hard as it is, it is a lot more difficult to find the next Bo Ryan at Illinois than the next Bill Self.
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Bill Self had great assistant coaches while he was here. Norm Roberts and a sober Billy Gillespie could coach up kids. Self is a great salesman. Some times things do come together. Even at Illinois.
 
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TCTORNADO

TCTORNADO
TCTORNADO
hermie1985 said:
[B]Bill Self had great assistant coaches while he was[/B] here. Norm Roberts and a sober Billy Gillespie could coach up kids. Self is a great salesman. Some times things do come together. Even at Illinois.
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Wayne McClain.:thumb:
 
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blmillini

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Bloomington, IL
blmillini
hermie1985 said:
I think Groce stays. Recruiting has finally picked up. Frazier and Tilmon need to get on campus. We will see if an increase in talent makes him a better coach. I don't buy the rhetoric on here that our talent is "solid" but I think it's getting better. I think we need an assistant that can really teach the game. A Tex Winter type character. We have taken to many rushed or bad shots since Self departed. Someone needs to fix that ASAP.
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I believe that basketball talent is typically more apparent on the offensive end. Hard work, desire and coaching are more apparent in defense and rebounding. Our issues are not related to our offensive ability. Therefore, I disagree that we have a lack of talent and wholeheartedly subscribe to the theory that we simply do not provide adequate coaching. Whether it due to the coaching staff's need for the guys to like them or their inability to coach that part of the game, I don't know, but something needs to change and I don't believe getting slightly better recruits that we continue to fail to teach how to defend and rebound is going to help.
 
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