Cheez
- Sun Prairie WI
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PostersLastStand
- Wayne County, IL
Was kidding, but he already turned us down once.
That's not what he said, this is not a question of character, neither did he say that he wanted Pearl as his coach. I despise Pearl with a passion, but that does not mean that Martin achieved more at Tennessee than Pearl.
Don't lump Scott Drew with the football team. Has Drew even been hit with any sanctions in 14 years? I don't remember of any issues. In fact, he suspended one of his guys from tonight's game. As far as I can tell, he runs a tight ship.
"CBS Sports’ anonymous poll found that “almost nobody has a specific story (of wrongdoing) but nearly everybody believes ‘he’s gotta be doing something.’
Apparently the man is guilty before being proven guilty. What a great country we live in. Name me 1 specific violation this man has had and then let's debate.
BillyBob1
- Champaign
He turned us down because Indiana fans are convinced he is going there.
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Johnny Dawkins?
Seems like fairly minor stuff. Impermissible phone calls resulting in a couple of scholarships taken away....But, I guess I can see where there might be some cause for concern. Apparently, the blue blood of college basketball didn't think it was a major issue to hire Calipari, the king of violators, so much ado about nothing as far as I'm concerned. But, Whitman may end up staying clear of Drew as a result of past issues, however small they may be after what has happened with the women's bball team and the football team.
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89illinigrad
- Chicago
I think Cuonzo is considered "safe" in that he could probably come in here and have a career like Henson, in that he could attract a lot of the top talent from in state to the UofI, make it to the tourney consistently and, when all the stars align just right, make a run at a Final 4.
Remember that, in his 21 years at Illinois, Henson had just 1 BIG championship, made the tourney 12 times and in those 12 appearances, he had 1 Sweet 16 (1985), 1 Elite 8 (1984) and 1 Final 4 (1989).
If that is Martin's "floor", I think many people would be happy with that.
Keatts, on the other had, has many thinking his upside is that of Bill Self, while others see a downside of Groce.
So, it comes down to just how risk adverse you are.
No, a very mediocre campaign at Stanford. I think he made the NCAA's 1 or 2 out of 8 seasons. On a side note, he is UCF's coach and they've got a 7'6" player, Tacko Fall. He had his way against Cincinnati with a double-double. He's not very quick footed or agile, but he does a great job of shot blocking and just altering the opposition's shots in general. Also, he is the master of dunking the basketball. I don't think he missed a shot tonight. Dawkins does have UCF back to respectability but not a B10 caliber coach(a lot like Tommy Amaker).
89illinigrad
- Chicago
Don't forget the men's basketball run ins with the NCAA (Slush Fund, Bruce Pearl) may make our AD less likely to hire anyone with even a hint of past improprieties (which may preclude Keatts as well--guilty by association with Louisville).
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Yeah, Kentucky isn't worried about hiring a coach that cheats. They have a long and storied history of doing whatever it takes to win. In fact, they'd probably fire him if he didn't bend the rules. Look what happened to Tubby.
Slush fund was over 50 years ago. Pearl stuff was 27 years ago. Dang, I'm old.
When did I say I wanted to hire Bruce Pearl? Don't be obtuse. :hand:
You said Cuonzo upgraded Tennessee. That is FALSE. I asked you to give me an evidence to support how, on the court, Cuonzo upgraded Tennessee. I'll wait.
Read my posts, I take issue with false conclusions/narratives. That doesn't mean I'm arguing for Pearl, I'm arguing against using falsehoods to prop up a candidate. Let's compare and evaluate our potential candidates on fact, not fiction.
Yup.
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I imagine Drew's program has been looked at closely because of all the problems Baylor has had with football. IMO, he would be a great hire, but if he decides to leave Baylor (unless he is proven of more wrong doing other than some phone calls by the staff) a number of schools would line up to get him.
If Roy Williams became available & the Illini signed him, most fans would call it a home run hire. What his school & program, IMO, was a lot worse than phone calls.
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But doesn't the 'scum' part play a part in his on court success?
If someone cheats - are the results better than someone who plays square and perhaps doesn't put up exactly the same numbers?
Sure, you can say this argument is purely on numbers - but in reality if life were only numbers - judgement would not be necessary.
I like Keatts, but I'm fairly convinced it won't be him. Archie Miller is my #1 choice, but I'd put the chances of him being hired at about 15% because it seems like he might want to wait for NC St. I put C. Martin at 35%, Monty Williams at 20%, Keatts at 2%, and someone else besides those listed at 28%. Though I don't think it would be terrible if Keatts was hired, it would be disappointing because I'm guessing while he might be in Whitman's top 10 candidates he is closer to number 10 than 5, which would mean a whole lot of coaches turned us down.
TownieMatt
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- Chicago
I'd say you're a little high on Counzo and Williams and low on Keatts. I also think the chances of it being someone else is higher than 28%.
Given the way Groce has turned out, I think most ADs would not hire another mid-major, unproven coach (i.e. Keatts). The tendency is always to hire someone completely different than the guy you just fired. That was certainly the case for Beckman -> Lovie. I think that's why many believe the Monty Williams rumor, it's an awful lot like the Lovie hire (fire mid-major guy, hire a guy with pro-experience). But JW had a connection to Lovie, so I'm not sure we should expect the same type of hire here.
You've built quite the mountain of odds. I'm pretty sure from what's been publically said or shown, it's probably 25% Cuonzo, 75% nobody has any clue.
Tevo
- Wilmette, IL
Just to be clear, the offensive "system" that Weber ran was fan-freakin-tastic when we had Deron, Dee, Luther, Augie and Rog running it. I didn't mind it one bit with players who had loads of talent and an abundance of chemistry.
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