2019-20 Coaching Discussion/Carousel

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Illinifan533

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Chip Long's name has been dropped a few times in this thread, but if Whitman was to go after a coordinator, he has to be one of the top choices considering he was on the staff in the final years of the Zook era. It would be nice to have a coach with previous ties to the university as well as experience recruiting at a high level on a national scale.
 
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The Athletic reviewed the top coordinators in NCAA football, after the Clemson Coodinators and Aranda (LSU), they ranked Todd Orlando (Texas DC) and Chip Long. They specifically mentioned both would be interested in Illinois should it open.

I believe Orlando was a finalist for the Temple job.
 
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BZuppke

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I think this conversation is academic: No way Whitman goes triple option.
 
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MarkyMarkTrestman said:
The Athletic reviewed the top coordinators in NCAA football, after the Clemson Coodinators and Aranda (LSU), they ranked Todd Orlando (Texas DC) and Chip Long. They specifically mentioned both would be interested in Illinois should it open.

I believe Orlando was a finalist for the Temple job.
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I'm on record that I am in the Orlando club. Side piece, maybe he brings Ayodele Adeoye back with him?
 
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ChiefGritty

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MarkyMarkTrestman said:
The Athletic reviewed the top coordinators in NCAA football, after the Clemson Coodinators and Aranda (LSU), they ranked Todd Orlando (Texas DC) and Chip Long. They specifically mentioned both would be interested in Illinois should it open.

I believe Orlando was a finalist for the Temple job.
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Orlando can recruit and has a head coach vibe about him. Plus he's from Pittsburgh and played for Alvarez at Wisconsin, a Big Ten job would probably appeal to him. But is the Texas defense all that good? How much should that matter?
 
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OrangeSoda

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FGCUIllini said:
Thus far this year Texas is ranked 100 in total defense, and Illinois is ranked 83. https://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22/p2
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Our Akron game is skewing that stat. Texas has played against Ok St. and LSU so far this year. Their defensive numbers will also be skewed from playing in a pass heavy Big 12. I don't think it's plausible to compare our D with the Texas D performance so far.

If our defensive staff coached in the Big 12 they would give up 80 pointers on a consistent basis.
 
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SampsonRelpenk

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People sure seem to like it when at least one former player is on the staff, so I thought I'd check in on the Illini who are coaching I could think of.

Greg Lewis: WR coach for the Chiefs since 2017 after being let go from the same position for the Eagles. Had the same title in three successive years at U of San Diego, San Jose St, and Pitt (under Paul Chryst). I'm guessing he wouldn't voluntarily extricate himself from being a part of the Reid-Mahomes offense without a big bump in pay and title.

Aaron Moorehead: Pretty impressive college resume on paper as a WR coach for Virginia Tech, then Texas A&M, and now Vanderbilt. Why no upgrade in title though? It's Vanderbilt, but Derek Mason is in his 6th year and they still haven't had a winning season. 0-3 so far this year, so he might be on the market if we're looking.

Nate Scheelhaase: Unfortunately we can't help but keep up with his accomplishments. Switched from RBs to WRs this year for Matt Campbell at Iowa State. 247 ranked him as the 10th best 2019 recruiter in the Big 12. We spurned him for Cory Patterson (10th best 2019 Big Ten recruiter), but would he hold that against a new coach?

Mike Bellamy: Has he brought enough to the table to be retained? I doubt it.

Luke Butkus: Yeah, don't think either party would want a third bite of that apple. I'm assuming he'll stay in the pros as long as he can.

John Holecek: The meatball WDWS caller Dark Horse Candidate for the head job the last (two?) time(s) around. Turned down an offer to be on Lovie's first staff for family reasons. Maybe things have changed? Helming an absolute juggernaut at Loyola Academy.

Chris James: In his second year as the head coach at Morgan Park. Can't really tell what kind of coaching chops he's got yet (5-8 record so far), but is well known and connected in Chicago from his work in the community.

Terry Hawthorne: As the DB coach at ESL, obviously not yet qualified for a proper assistant spot, but there's got to be some role for him to grow in. I'm not aware if Lovie has already tried. Despite the turmoil during his Illinois career he's remained a strong supporter of the team and university. Strengthening the relationship with the Flyers would be great.

Who did I forget?
 
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ILL_INI said:
Good point. They played a cupcake schedule. Played some team called LSU, which must be Little Sisters U, and OSU which must be Other Sisters U.
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570 yards in that LSU game is not good and we should discuss that further but we allowed 480 yards to Eastern Michigan. Eastern Michigan.

This is a comparison that does not hold up.
 
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ChiefGritty

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Twangers said:
570 yards in that LSU game is not good and we should discuss that further but we allowed 480 yards to Eastern Michigan. Eastern Michigan.

This is a comparison that does not hold up.
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Texas' offense was heroic in that game, and their defense was absolutely lit on fire and thrown in a garbage can. So my Texas coordinator-o-meter swung in the Tim Beck direction. But there's a lot of season to go.
 
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ChiefGritty said:
Texas' offense was heroic in that game, and their defense was absolutely lit on fire and thrown in a garbage can. So my Texas coordinator-o-meter swung in the Tim Beck direction. But there's a lot of season to go.
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I only watched bits and pieces of that game. I know Burrow was borderline unstoppable which raised my eyebrow. His road won't get any easier, Red River is in 3 weeks.

That performance should be discussed at length if Orlando is a serious candidate but again, the comparison to us is not valid.
 
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ChiefGritty

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illini0440 said:
Lol while I do think a coaching change will happen, I wouldn't bet on Monken making the candidates list but it's still early and things can change.
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There's a specific sort of person to whom the "try this other unusual, unconventional thing that there's a lot of compelling evidence of the effectiveness for" concept appeals. I'm that person to a T, Whitman seems much less so.
 
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illini0440

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ChiefGritty said:
There's a specific sort of person to whom the "try this other unusual, unconventional thing that there's a lot of compelling evidence of the effectiveness for" concept appeals. I'm that person to a T, Whitman seems much less so.
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I mean Whitman hired Underwood mainly because of his style of play....but translate that to football and I think that favors an Air Raid guy.
 
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ChiefGritty

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illini0440 said:
I mean Whitman hired Underwood mainly because of his style of play....but translate that to football and I think that favors an Air Raid guy.
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Right, that's swimming with the current of the way strategic thinking in the sport is changing, as is Underwood largely. The Paul Johnson tree is zigging as hard as possible where others are zagging.

I'm sure it is also the case, and this was true of RG as well, that his history in the game gives Whitman a more particularized idea about the way he wants the football team to operate. It's what he understands best, or at least thinks he does.

Lovie Smith was a football mind on the bleeding edge of innovation the last time Josh Whitman was in the sport of football full-time. I don't think he's some idiot who is going to keep making that same mistake...but he'd sure better not.
 
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illini0440 said:
Lol while I do think a coaching change will happen, I wouldn't bet on Monken making the candidates list but it's still early and things can change.
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This is somewhat "0440 breaking news". I don't believe you've been this definitive in your posts before (certainly correct me if I'm wrong). You mentioned further down that Whitman hasn't put feelers out...yet. Absent an unlikely run and 4(hopefully) wins, you think he will make a change?
 
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illinoistradition

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IlliniReb said:
This is somewhat "0440 breaking news". I don't believe you've been this definitive in your posts before (certainly correct me if I'm wrong). You mentioned further down that Whitman hasn't put feelers out...yet. Absent an unlikely run and 4(hopefully) wins, you think he will make a change?
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The program cannot afford him not to make a change in that case. Can you imagine what ticket sales will be like next year after 3, 2, 4, and 4 win seasons under the same coach? The athletic budget cannot afford for football to not be a huge revenue builder.
 
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