Adam Miller transfers to LSU

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If Adam Miller pays any attention to this forum (as some have hinted), he shouldn’t be surprised about some of the reactions he’s getting. You’re not always too fond of someone who shows interest in going away from you. On the other hand, he should be gratified that so many of Illini Nation care enough about him to want him back, or at least that he find a place where he can thrive. He’s touched a nerve with Illini fans who sense special talent but that’s tied up with frustration that we don’t feel we’ve seen anywhere near his floor game potential (and may not in the Orange and Blue).

Only Adam knows why he’s choosing to do what he’s doing. Or who he's choosing to listen to. College ball is a business like any other. The Program has to move on and progress without hesitation, and the player wants a place to shine and thrive. This is the best outcome. The Illini put a great team on the floor again and Adam finds a place to The Man he wants to be.

See you in the tournament, Adam, whichever jersey you’re wearing. Rain down those sweet corner three’s like buckets of rain in a prairie thunderstorm. The Peoria Pipeline pouring talent into the ball courts of the World.
Agreed - I hope he makes the decision that pays the most dividends for his future self.
Clearly, that would be returning to SFC and taking this team back to the tournament.
But if it's not, it's not. I won't begrudge a young man for deciding he needs to make a change.
 
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IlliniRocketFan

Rochester, IL
This baffles me. So it is terrible to say it to his face, but to attempt to sway others' perspective of him on a public forum is a-okay.

Being angry at a player for utilizing the available tools to best situate himself for success long-term is at best unreasonable. Pointing that out is not "policing".
This is one of the problems I see too much of these days. Stating an opinion does not mean that person is trying to sway anyone. Too many people take opposing opinions as personal and attack without a need. Everyone has their opinion and most are neither right or wrong. It is just an opinion. What would be the difference then having these discussions in a bar or restaurant. Public is public. Are some opinions right and others wrong? Neither. Depends on how you see the situation.
 
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haasi

New York
You're allowed to disagree with other posters on the forum but supressing their opinion is lame (as long as they aren't hurting anyone). We can speculate on players intentions. That's literally what recruiting is. We can talk negatively about them too.

This board hates on many people (Mark Smith, Fran McCaffery, etc.) so let's not pretend this is a kindergarten classrooom.
Yes but you’re not immune to that either. Put players on blast (unfairly in the view of a lot) and you might get put on blast yourself. Free speech for sure, but consequences might involve others also exercising free speech. As long as you don’t mind getting ripped for saying unfair things about people, have at it. It’s a forum, as you say....

my own view- wish Miller would stay, don’t agree with his decision to leave, but it’s his decision and I don’t think any criticism is warranted. He didn’t accuse BU of anything (Mark smith) or have a zillion blowups that show horrific sportsmanship ( Fran), he simply exercised his right to go play elsewhere.
 
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JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
What would be the difference then having these discussions in a bar or restaurant.
You wouldn't be demanding the attention of hundreds (thousands?) of other people.

The vast majority of people try to keep it fun and light on this board. There's a general understanding that this is meant to be entertaining and accessible. A few people seem to be crashing the party to pick fights and antagonize. It's a bit of a bummer.
 
#881      
This is one of the problems I see too much of these days. Stating an opinion does not mean that person is trying to sway anyone. Too many people take opposing opinions as personal and attack without a need. Everyone has their opinion and most are neither right or wrong. It is just an opinion. What would be the difference then having these discussions in a bar or restaurant. Public is public. Are some opinions right and others wrong? Neither. Depends on how you see the situation.

You know the lesson we all learned in kindergarten, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

There is a significant difference in saying something in a bar as opposed to in writing online. That's not an opinion. Many more people actually face consequences for what they put in writing online vs. what they say in a bar.
 
#882      
I hope he makes the decision that pays the most dividends for his future self.
Yup, absolutely wish him well, and hope he challenges himself in positive ways to get better as a player and a person. Getting to the NBA is insanely competitive, and there's only a handful of kids that are gifted enough to get there on auto-pilot. Miller is talented enough to get there, but he's going to have to improve significantly to make it --really could go either way for him, and this choice is a big one for his future.

I've said it before, but as a fan, I'm good either way he decides. Really happy he committed here, but I'm supportive of any player deciding they don't like it enough to stay, or simply think it will be easier somewhere else. Team chemistry is too important to have guys that don't want to be here, and if he doesn't truly believe in this staff and team, he's not going to excel as much on a personal level either.

On the flip side, I'm glad to see the staff isn't making the mistake of being beholden to a particular player who's on the fence. Put in the effort, make your pitch, and then deal with the decision like adults should and move along*

*Obviously I'm on the outside looking in, but it looks right from where I sit.
 
#883      
Yes but you’re not immune to that either. Put players on blast (unfairly in the view of a lot) and you might get put on blast yourself. Free speech for sure, but consequences might involve others also exercising free speech. As long as you don’t mind getting ripped for saying unfair things about people, have at it. It’s a forum, as you say....

my own view- wish Miller would stay, don’t agree with his decision to leave, but it’s his decision and I don’t think any criticism is warranted. He didn’t accuse BU of anything (Mark smith) or have a zillion blowups that show horrific sportsmanship ( Fran), he simply exercised his right to go play elsewhere.

I've made it clear that I don't take issue with people disagreeing with ("ripping") me. Just don't tell me I can't criticize a player and we're all good. You can disagree with my criticism but you can't disagree with me saying it.
 
#884      
I've made it clear that I don't take issue with people disagreeing with ("ripping") me. Just don't tell me I can't criticize a player and we're all good. You can disagree with my criticism but you can't disagree with me saying it.
And others are allowed to judge your character based on ripping 19 year olds in a public forum.
 
#885      
You're allowed to disagree with other posters on the forum but supressing their opinion is lame
Of course. You'll notice that I said "imo" (in my opinion) in my post. I think criticizing the values/principles/character of a player based mostly on rumor is taking things too far; clearly you feel the opposite. I am not trying to suppress anybody's opinion (I don't even have the capability of doing so if I wanted), I am only suggesting that, imo, expressing those opinions on a public forum that is accessible by anyone is not in best taste. You are welcome to bash my view that publicly expressing those kinds of thoughts is going too far (as you have), just as I am welcome to bash the view that AM entering the portal somehow means he's inherently egotistical and disloyal. It cuts both ways.
 
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IlliniRocketFan

Rochester, IL
You know the lesson we all learned in kindergarten, "If you don't have anything nice to say..."

There is a significant difference in saying something in a bar as opposed to in writing online. That's not an opinion. Many more people actually face consequences for what they put in writing online vs. what they say in a bar.

What consequences, most trolls would never have the guts to say these things in a bar. The bar consequences are panful. I am referring to actual adult opinions, not trolls. Most people can tell the difference, but not all. I learned early online that you do not feed the trolls. That's what they want, because they know they can't get backhanded like the punks they are.
 
#888      
I've made it clear that I don't take issue with people disagreeing with ("ripping") me. Just don't tell me I can't criticize a player and we're all good. You can disagree with my criticism but you can't disagree with me saying it.

Honest question with no judgment intended on my end. What do you get from criticizing him? Maybe the answer is nothing and you're just exercising your right to do so, which is a perfectly fine answer. I'm just trying to understand a different line of thinking.
 
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What consequences, most trolls would never have the guts to say these things in a bar. The bar consequences are panful. I am referring to actual adult opinions, not trolls. Most people can tell the difference, but not all. I learned early online that you do not feed the trolls. That's what they want, because they know they can't get backhanded like the punks they are.

Eh, I don't think everyone that is criticizing AM here is a troll. I think many of them would say the same things to their buddies in a bar or in their backyard, basement, or living room.
 
#890      
People are always going to have speculative opinions you may/may not agree with. Do you get to dictate what people say to their friends, too? We agree that players have a right to make the best decision for themselves. We disagree in that I don't think you have a right to limit free speech and impose your beliefs on others. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Players know they'll be criticized. Everyone receives unwarranted criticism. You've just chosen to be the white knight for a public figure you follow
Seeing as no one here is a government actor operating in that capacity, we can technically limit free speech all we want.
 
#891      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
It's mostly just a few grumpy old men here that think AM entering the portal is an absolute gesture of betrayal and he is to be disregarded now. As if it is some ultimate betrayal because he committed to us, and now he has questions about his future here.

Well, our inbound transfers didn't commit to the Illini to begin with...so technically they "betrayed" us in the beginning, but now we welcome them with open arms.

The internet gonna internet. Teenagers gonna teenager. Boomers gonna boomer. Millennials gonna millennial.

World gonna keep turnin'. Telsa's gonna keep burnin'. And burnin'. And burnin'.

Too soon?
 
#892      
How about we gush at the idea of AM coming back and our second unit guards being all B1G caliber. Somehow we lose an All American guard and our backcourt comes back as good or better, incredible job by the staff if the AM rumors are for real.
 
#893      
Agreed - I hope he makes the decision that pays the most dividends for his future self.
Clearly, that would be returning to SFC and taking this team back to the tournament.
But if it's not, it's not. I won't begrudge a young man for deciding he needs to make a change.
Considering a lucrative future is on the line, it’s understandable he’s taking his time. I’d be curious what’s really going through his head. Heady stuff for a young person.
 
#894      
Honest question with no judgment intended on my end. What do you get from criticizing him? Maybe the answer is nothing and you're just exercising your right to do so, which is a perfectly fine answer. I'm just trying to understand a different line of thinking.

Idk, not everything has to be so transactional. I'm a sports fan and I criticize players sometimes and love them other times. I'm unsure why everyone is so sensitive about it (not talking about you).
 
#895      
How about we gush at the idea of AM coming back and our second unit guards being all B1G caliber. Somehow we lose an All American guard and our backcourt comes back as good or better, incredible job by the staff if the AM rumors are for real.
I'd agree that guard play is the least of our worries next season, but I strongly disagree that our backcourt will be as good or better.

My predictions:

-backcourt slips a little
-frontcourt slips A LOT
-still better than Iowa
 
#896      

Serious Late

Peoria via Denver via Ann Arbor via Albuquerque vi
People are always going to have speculative opinions you may/may not agree with. Do you get to dictate what people say to their friends, too? We agree that players have a right to make the best decision for themselves. We disagree in that I don't think you have a right to limit free speech and impose your beliefs on others. Not everyone is going to agree with you. Players know they'll be criticized. Everyone receives unwarranted criticism. You've just chosen to be the white knight for a public figure you follow
I've made it clear that I don't take issue with people disagreeing with ("ripping") me. Just don't tell me I can't criticize a player and we're all good. You can disagree with my criticism but you can't disagree with me saying it.
To be clear, shifting the conversation to something no one said to begin with holds no weight.

I'll go ahead and stand by... It is mind-numbing reading negative hot takes on Miller entering the transfer portal at the same time we are celebrating the addition of 2 impact players via the exact same portal.
 
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sacraig

The desert
It's mostly just a few grumpy old men here that think AM entering the portal is an absolute gesture of betrayal and he is to be disregarded now. As if it is some ultimate betrayal because he committed to us, and now he has questions about his future here.

Well, our inbound transfers didn't commit to the Illini to begin with...so technically they "betrayed" us in the beginning, but now we welcome them with open arms.

The internet gonna internet. Teenagers gonna teenager. Boomers gonna boomer. Millennials gonna millennial.

World gonna keep turnin'. Telsa's gonna keep burnin'. And burnin'. And burnin'.

Too soon?

30,000 gallons of water over four hours. Good gracious...
 
#898      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
30,000 gallons of water over four hours. Good gracious...

When the fire department has to actually call Tesla about fighting a fire with their batteries. :unsure:

It took me literally 5 seconds to type something into Google and find this....supported by Tesla.


Interesting note: "It should take between 500 and 8,000 gallons of water to contain the fire and continue to cool the batteries."

It's amazing to me that the fire department lacked training and/or information on this.

So the responding fire departments in this case are going to face some interesting questions as this goes through litigation. Especially if the occupants died of smoke/fire and not impact.

Edit: sorry for the large thread drift....back to AM!

How do you fight a portal fire?? :p
 
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sacraig

The desert
When the fire department has to actually call Tesla about fighting a fire with their batteries. :unsure:

It took me literally 5 seconds to type something into Google and find this....supported by Tesla.


Interesting note: "It should take between 500 and 8,000 gallons of water to contain the fire and continue to cool the batteries."

It's amazing to me that the fire department lacked training and/or information on this.

So the responding fire departments in this case are going to face some interesting questions as this goes through litigation. Especially if the occupants died of smoke/fire and not impact.

Edit: sorry for the large thread drift....back to AM!

How do you fight a portal fire?? :p

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"Lithium is a hell of a fuel." -Rick James, probably
 
#900      
To me, its very simple. Nothing against AM as he wants to find he best place for himself and in his mind, it appears not to be here. I want players 100% dedicated to Illinois. AM by going into the portal is not 100% committed. Now there is a huge difference between going into the NBA draft and testing the waters then only to come back as the goal for college players is the NBA. I am on the I do not want AM back as, like I said, I want 100% committed players here. As a player on the team, I would want a really good honest explanation on why you went into the portal.
 
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