Andre Curbelo in the transfer portal

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How many of the negative comments were even from actual Illinois fans?
On Twitter I've seen multiple users who post positive stuff about other Illini post negative things about Belo. No way to know for sure, but that suggests at least some identify as Illini fans. One of the comments I copied and pasted was from a user who also made a post recently about wanting Miller to come back. Like I said earlier, 99% of Illini fans are amazing and supportive, but even one nasty, hateful comment is too many. Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to stop it and it's an unfortunate reality all players have to face. 100% confident though that Belo got it worse than anyone else on that team, with the possible exception of DMW.
 
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The difference in protocol and time spent in the protocol is mainly a difference in presentation of symptoms and difference in speed of recovery. The protocol is an established progression of levels of activity that can be tolerated without recurrence of symptoms (jog on a treadmill for 5 minutes...does dizziness or headache recur? If yes, sit out tomorrow and try treadmill again the day after. If no, move to the next step tomorrow) building towards full activity. I have not seen the B10 protocol, but the entry point of the protocol is sometimes dependent on level of initial symptoms (Was there loss of consciousness? If yes, 5 days with no activity. If no, begin step one of activity tomorrow). This is obviously a dramatic oversimplification, but just trying to give some insights as to why one player may take 3 days and another may take 3 months. At the D1 college level, I assume all sports do some sort of objective (not subjective) baseline testing for both cognitive and physical reactions that is repeated post injury and also factors into the timeline.
Question: If I am a player in the protocol and I want to get back on the court ASAP, what is to stop me from reporting no dizziness or headache when I actually have both? What are my chances of getting away with that?
 
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IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Question: If I am a player in the protocol and I want to get back on the court ASAP, what is to stop me from reporting no dizziness or headache when I actually have both? What are my chances of getting away with that?
I would bet this comes down to team culture. If the coaching staff explains to players why it's important to go through the entire process and be honest, they will. If coaches pressure kids to come back, they will. It came up a few times on Last Chance U, if you've ever watched that
 
#254      
Players wanna play. If they want to game the protocols can they, or will the MDs be able to tell when the player who says he has no dizziness or headaches is actually faking it?

Is it possible that the reason Belo regressed so much as a soph is that he never really recovered?
 
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IlliniKat91

Chicago, IL
Players wanna play. If they want to game the protocols can they, or will the MDs be able to tell when the player who says he has no dizziness or headaches is actually faking it?

Is it possible that the reason Belo regressed so much as a soph is that he never really recovered?
I would guess that the staff spends enough time with the players to know when they're off. They may not be able to prove it without a scan, but it will probably be enough for them to send them back to the MDs
 
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Question: If I am a player in the protocol and I want to get back on the court ASAP, what is to stop me from reporting no dizziness or headache when I actually have both? What are my chances of getting away with that?
As someone said earlier, most times these players have a baseline cognitive test that was done when fully healthy. We even do that at the high school level.

So players have to pass through the different physical based levels of the RTP protocol, PLUS return to baseline or better on their cognitive tests.

The way to game it would be to sabotage the initial cognitive test, but most of the time the person or program administering that test would be able to tell and make you do it again.
 
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If you are really wondering, I challenge you to scroll back in the Loyalty post game threads from the Marquette and Cincinnati games. These were games AC played in AFTER he was concussed, but PRIOR to his diagnosis.
Feel free to look at the vile, hate-filled, emotion driven comments from countless Loyalty members. Trust me, you’ll recognize many of the names.
It is reprehensible and embarrassing to be candid. A horrible look to these Loyalty members, to the University and it’s fan base, and to any people in a civilized country, that “fans” can become so critical and reprehensible to others over a basketball game.

If you really want to try to make a difference moving forward:
Condone these kinds of comments publicly when you read them.
Challenge these posters to be better.
Critique a play but admonish personal attacks.
Take childish and immature language out of the equation when things don’t turn out as planned.
Ask yourself if you would like these things said to your child, niece, nephew and act accordingly, and defend others accordingly.

Sorry, a soap box rant here…..of which I stand behind regardless of those that may be offended.
Morgan Freeman Applause GIF by The Academy Awards

Well said. The upside of the internet is everybody has a voice. The downside of the internet is...everybody has a voice.
 
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If you are really wondering, I challenge you to scroll back in the Loyalty post game threads from the Marquette and Cincinnati games. These were games AC played in AFTER he was concussed, but PRIOR to his diagnosis.
Feel free to look at the vile, hate-filled, emotion driven comments from countless Loyalty members. Trust me, you’ll recognize many of the names.
It is reprehensible and embarrassing to be candid. A horrible look to these Loyalty members, to the University and it’s fan base, and to any people in a civilized country, that “fans” can become so critical and reprehensible to others over a basketball game.

If you really want to try to make a difference moving forward:
Condone these kinds of comments publicly when you read them.
Challenge these posters to be better.
Critique a play but admonish personal attacks.
Take childish and immature language out of the equation when things don’t turn out as planned.
Ask yourself if you would like these things said to your child, niece, nephew and act accordingly, and defend others accordingly.

Sorry, a soap box rant here…..of which I stand behind regardless of those that may be offended.
Agree personal attacks are bad and should not be condoned. There is room for positive and negative criticism handled appropriately.
 
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Just remember that 99% of those posters couldn’t make their JV high school team in their wildest dreams.
I'm not on board with bad-mouthing anybody online or elsewhere but let's not go with the old "if they aren't good at it, they can't criticize anyone else."
I'm no handyman, but if I hired a guy who is and he starts breaking stuff in my house, I'm going to be able to tell if he's not doing that great.
 
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Sad to see Curbelo go, also sad to see all the posts complaining about other people's social media and forum posts. I've been lurking here for a long time and it's always the same tired critique. Guess what? Some people are A-holes on social media. You can keep clutching your pearls and complaining, but it will accomplish nothing. Stop giving them attention.

Best of luck to Belo in all his future adventures!
 
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I'm not on board with bad-mouthing anybody online or elsewhere but let's not go with the old "if they aren't good at it, they can't criticize anyone else."
I'm no handyman, but if I hired a guy who is and he starts breaking stuff in my house, I'm going to be able to tell if he's not doing that great.
Yeah, a handyman breaking your stuff and a 19 year old doing his best for the team you root for probably aren't comparable.
 
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Yeah, a handyman breaking your stuff and a 19 year old doing his best for the team you root for probably aren't comparable.
Ok, granted, but what about this scenario:

The handymen show up and immediately ask to use your bathroom, then for over two hours they take turns going in and out of there, taking huge mud-pies and over flushing? Then they go in there together, and you hear a bunch of scrounging around, and then a bunch of yelling, and then one of them is standing in the bathroom doorway shouting at you that his friend's foot was stuck in the toilet and he says "Help him, you gotta help him!" And when you go in there to help him, he just pulls it out and laughs because his foot wasn't stuck. It wasn't stuck at all, he was just faking it. And then they get really serios and say "It's Turbo Time!" Amd the both start running around the house as fast as they can and jumping over the couches. But when you try to jump in they yell at you and they say "YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE TURBO TEAM! DON'T RUN! YOU DON'T RUN WITH US! WE'RE THE ONES THAT RUN! UNTIL YOU'RE PART OF THIS TURBO TEAM, WALK SLOWLY!" Sobyou go lay down to be by yourself and read your art books, but then the next day you went into the bathroom, and it looked like the hole in your toilet had shrunk. And you said "How can that be? There's no way they could have shrunk the toilet" But then you saw in the trash a receipt from Home Depot for a toilet the exact same size as yours but with a joke hole that's just for farts! They replaced your real toilet with a fart toilet, and now you can't take a d$#@ in your house because your toilet can't suck them down, and you feel sick to your stomach!

What about then? If that's happened to you can you harrass a 19 for making an errant pass then?
 
#263      
Ok, granted, but what about this scenario:

The handymen show up and immediately ask to use your bathroom, then for over two hours they take turns going in and out of there, taking huge mud-pies and over flushing? Then they go in there together, and you hear a bunch of scrounging around, and then a bunch of yelling, and then one of them is standing in the bathroom doorway shouting at you that his friend's foot was stuck in the toilet and he says "Help him, you gotta help him!" And when you go in there to help him, he just pulls it out and laughs because his foot wasn't stuck. It wasn't stuck at all, he was just faking it. And then they get really serios and say "It's Turbo Time!" Amd the both start running around the house as fast as they can and jumping over the couches. But when you try to jump in they yell at you and they say "YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE TURBO TEAM! DON'T RUN! YOU DON'T RUN WITH US! WE'RE THE ONES THAT RUN! UNTIL YOU'RE PART OF THIS TURBO TEAM, WALK SLOWLY!" Sobyou go lay down to be by yourself and read your art books, but then the next day you went into the bathroom, and it looked like the hole in your toilet had shrunk. And you said "How can that be? There's no way they could have shrunk the toilet" But then you saw in the trash a receipt from Home Depot for a toilet the exact same size as yours but with a joke hole that's just for farts! They replaced your real toilet with a fart toilet, and now you can't take a d$#@ in your house because your toilet can't suck them down, and you feel sick to your stomach!

What about then? If that's happened to you can you harrass a 19 for making an errant pass then?
Wow…. That is one fine piece of writing.
 
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BBIQ

Texas
Ok, granted, but what about this scenario:

The handymen show up and immediately ask to use your bathroom, then for over two hours they take turns going in and out of there, taking huge mud-pies and over flushing? Then they go in there together, and you hear a bunch of scrounging around, and then a bunch of yelling, and then one of them is standing in the bathroom doorway shouting at you that his friend's foot was stuck in the toilet and he says "Help him, you gotta help him!" And when you go in there to help him, he just pulls it out and laughs because his foot wasn't stuck. It wasn't stuck at all, he was just faking it. And then they get really serios and say "It's Turbo Time!" Amd the both start running around the house as fast as they can and jumping over the couches. But when you try to jump in they yell at you and they say "YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE TURBO TEAM! DON'T RUN! YOU DON'T RUN WITH US! WE'RE THE ONES THAT RUN! UNTIL YOU'RE PART OF THIS TURBO TEAM, WALK SLOWLY!" Sobyou go lay down to be by yourself and read your art books, but then the next day you went into the bathroom, and it looked like the hole in your toilet had shrunk. And you said "How can that be? There's no way they could have shrunk the toilet" But then you saw in the trash a receipt from Home Depot for a toilet the exact same size as yours but with a joke hole that's just for farts! They replaced your real toilet with a fart toilet, and now you can't take a d$#@ in your house because your toilet can't suck them down, and you feel sick to your stomach!

What about then? If that's happened to you can you harrass a 19 for making an errant pass then?
Just when I think Loyalty can't get any better, this gem gets dropped on a Wednesday afternoon.
 
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Yeah, a handyman breaking your stuff and a 19 year old doing his best for the team you root for probably aren't comparable.
If the 19-year- old mixing my paint at Home Depot screws it up, he’s going to hear about it. I’m not going to say, “He’s just a kid and he’s doing his best. I’ll just take the wrong color.” People get positive feedback when they do well, and negative feedback when they don’t. It’s perfectly fair to criticize how a basketball player plays basketball.
 
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Ok, granted, but what about this scenario:

The handymen show up and immediately ask to use your bathroom, then for over two hours they take turns going in and out of there, taking huge mud-pies and over flushing? Then they go in there together, and you hear a bunch of scrounging around, and then a bunch of yelling, and then one of them is standing in the bathroom doorway shouting at you that his friend's foot was stuck in the toilet and he says "Help him, you gotta help him!" And when you go in there to help him, he just pulls it out and laughs because his foot wasn't stuck. It wasn't stuck at all, he was just faking it. And then they get really serios and say "It's Turbo Time!" Amd the both start running around the house as fast as they can and jumping over the couches. But when you try to jump in they yell at you and they say "YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE TURBO TEAM! DON'T RUN! YOU DON'T RUN WITH US! WE'RE THE ONES THAT RUN! UNTIL YOU'RE PART OF THIS TURBO TEAM, WALK SLOWLY!" Sobyou go lay down to be by yourself and read your art books, but then the next day you went into the bathroom, and it looked like the hole in your toilet had shrunk. And you said "How can that be? There's no way they could have shrunk the toilet" But then you saw in the trash a receipt from Home Depot for a toilet the exact same size as yours but with a joke hole that's just for farts! They replaced your real toilet with a fart toilet, and now you can't take a d$#@ in your house because your toilet can't suck them down, and you feel sick to your stomach!

What about then? If that's happened to you can you harrass a 19 for making an errant pass then?

I normally agree with juiceman.
I “like” lots of his takes.
I’m gonna hit that “like” button…but the truth is that I don’t have a clue what I just read.
But, this 58 year old grandpa of 5 is still chuckling about a toilet that has a joke hole that’s just for farts. What the heck is that? I’m wondering if this may well be worth looking into? Reminds me a bit of my youthful days.
Imagine years from now….
”Do you remember your Grandpa?”
“A little bit”
“Yeah? That’s cool, what was he like?”
“I don’t remember much…but pretty cool I think…I remember he put a fake toilet in his house that was just for farting.”
 
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