It irritates me too. Then I take a deep breath and realize he is actually finally getting to play after sitting on the bench most of last year. He absolutely needs to improve, but we finally have someone that has the length to guard the Murray's and Harper's of the big ten. Thatis a major step up in one year.
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I think it's more to it... he was mite aggressive earlier on, and I think somethings been said to him about it... because he's not even looking to shoot it at times that he normally would've. I certainly hope that's not what's going on because I like it when he's playing aggressive... just have to make the smart play and right play.
I respectfully disagree... Tubelis is NOT a stud uber-athlete ... HE IS HOWEVER, more aggressive at this stage of his career and more confident.... yessss...
HELLO!!!!!! I said all of this days ago and people acted like I was crazy!!!
He's been in foul trouble the last few games. Hard to assert oneself when that happens.
I think after he studies film of his mistakes and missed opportunities and if he can avoid the early foul trouble, he'll be alright. I don't even mind he shoots the three ball. I think in the next two years he'll prove to be adequate. At least it appears the coaches think he will be as it seems he has the green light.
Go Hawk. Go Illini.
BU recruited Trent to SFA (Groce won that battle), thus the two are extremely familiar with each other
I was not referring to Tubelis but Mathurin. I never said Coleman guarded the uber athlete but that he isn't one. He isn't like 6'10" uber athlete like Cade Cuningham or the 6'6" Mathurin but he can be a good athlete and solid B10 player.
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Just curious if this is the pregame thread Arizona that hasn’t played anyone and is over rated or the post game thread Arizona that should be #1?
Understood! Thanks for the clarification!
Actually don’t think Tubelis scored many points against Hawk. Most scoring was done against Jake. Actually Ben did best job defending him in limited minutes. Mathurin did score most of his points against DMW. Kriisa did most of his scoring against Alph. Alph and Kofi had 5 to’s each. Just not understanding why Hawk is getting all the flak. Mistakes were a team effort.
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Hawk only played 12 minutes, so it would stand to reason that Ariz players did more damage against other Illini players than Hawk. But I don’t remember him doing all that well on D in this game. And yes AP and Kofi each had 5 TOs to Hawks 2, but they also had 25 points and 13 and 13 respectively to Hawk’s 0 and 2.
But Hawk’s real sin was averaging 14.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.7 apg, 1.7 bpg and 1.7 spg in his first 3 games and only 5.9 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.7 bpg and 1.2 spg in his next 7. That 3 game start combined with all the ridiculous preseason hype by people on here was enough to announce that the Illini’s next 1st team all-conference player had arrived. How dare he not live up to that and then have the audacity to play poorly in the Illini’s game against a ranked opponent when a win would have put Illinois back into top 25.
Hawk had a rough game both in the sense of staying on the court and positively impacting the game when he was on the court. He needs to find a way to defend without picking up ticky-tack fouls. But remember he in his second year and being asked to take on a much expanded role compared to last year. Going to be growing pains, but he’ll get there.
I would like to see Hawkins drive to the basket more, or shoot the ball. Several times in the last several games he has given up on a shot. Last year he didn't play much and now he is thrown into the mix more. When we get into the BT season full board he will be a better player.
For us to be successful in the BT this will need to happen
I think Hawk has a bright future. I think his he may have let his ego get a little too big with the early games. I saw the Indiana (PA) game in person. He was constantly jawing with the other team and even got a tech for telling the opposing bench they "f'n suck" (they are a D2 school). This wasn't the only game where similar things happened. I think with stiffer competition in P5 opponents he may be struggling a little with an ego check. He will be a great asset for us. He just needs to let the game come to him and not force things. It's good to have a little swagger, but there is a fine line between swagger and arrogance.
TheFameProtector
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"If it wasn't for half of our rotation we would have been blown out!!!"...wow, thank you for the insightful comments Dennis. Don't know how we'd make sense of these games without ya.
TheFameProtector
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Cade Cunningham is an odd choice...dude is very far away from ever being an uber athlete. Hell he's barely a "good" athlete. Coleman is at least as athletic as him, if not more so. He isn't, however, the uber high-IQ, ultra-competitive player that Cade is.
I was going to say Dominique Wilkins! That is who I thought of first but I figured most of the crowd is younger than me! I should've had a better example the Cade. Cade still has great hand eye & fluid coordination, agility. strength, reaction time, and other athletic attributes. Thats why Cade has a much higher ceiling and got better sooner. I'm sure Coleman works his butt off. I hope I'm wrong I would love if Coleman has that type of potential I just disagree with you that Coleman's ceiling is close to Cades because he isn't that type of athlete. Even if Cade isn't the best example of an uber athlete. Coleman can and will get better through hardwork and experience. However hardwork can make you better but only to a point. You need God given abilities too. I'm trying to have reasonable expectations for Coleman but I hope you are right and he does have the athletic ability to be a as good as Cade Cunningham. If your correct then why can't he be?
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TheFameProtector
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I never said anything about Coleman's ceiling being close to Cade's. It isn't. One's basketball ceiling is so much more than simple athleticism or biological traits. Cade didn't get better earlier or have a high ceiling because of reaction time or whatnot -- it's because of what goes on between his ears. If it was just about athletic attributes, then the Air Up There and not Steve Nash would be one of the greatest PGs of all time. And Curry wouldn't be one of the best players of the last decade. And Nikola Jokic wouldn't be better than Anthony Davis. Sure, Curry might have the best hand-eye coordination ever and Jokic is nearly 7 feet tall, but what sets them apart is how they think the game and how they compete. Not all things are measurable or explainable -- that's why they call it the "it" factor.
I feel the same way as you do! It's also really his first year playing significant minutes.
Cook
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This is bothersome and not the type of conduct we should strive for. Does Brad check this type of stuff or does he let it go? Seems like he's been letting the players get away with it. Our trash talking and crappy tough guy behavior has been unbecoming for a while now.
You said Coleman is at least the athlete Cade is. We clearly disagree. Who has better hand eye coordination than Curry? People equate athleticism ten fold to how high you can jump that to hand eye coordination or coordination in general. You can only be so good at sports through hard work . If you are born with enough god given talent you can go further if you work hard ir even if you may not!. If Coleman is the athlete that Cunningham is then if he wants to he can be. People joke about Larry Bird. He was strong, insane hard eye coordination, ambidextrous, agile, strong. He just wasn't an explosive athlete like Wilkins. I'd argue Bird and Cade amazing athletes because of thier coordination but most wouldn't agree because they think you need to run very fast or jump high. If your stronger, react faster and have ELITE body and hand eye coordination that isn't as impressive. When it pertains to hoops I think it is. If you are not gifted athletically your not going to make the NBA much less be elite. . You are just not.. The difference is what you view as an athletic trait like explosiveness and speed I may think there is more to it than that especailly when it comes to hoops. When I got my PhD in sports administration and studied kinesiology there was much more to being an athlete than jumping high and running fast. Curry is an elite athlete .
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There’s a phrase I never thought I’d hear. Especially on this board.
I think it’s safe to say that Illinois won that battle, proven by when Groce left and Trent stayed
Well Done. Nicely Played!
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