Ayo Dosunmu suffers facial injury

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Did he seriously mispronounce it again??
Absolutely. He's a putz of the highest magnitude. His time has passed, time to sail off into the sunset. But like so many, it's more about him than anybody else. He will hold on continuing to do anything to win, no matter who it harms.
 
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Read Robs article. Addresses this perfectly. Last year Brad had Griffin apologize and said they didn’t condone that. Izzo proudly went with the street fight angle.
Hard fouls are a part of the game to most of us that grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. Watch any of the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Knicks. The difference between that style of play, and what Griffin did is quite different. Griffin's nonsense wasnt a basketball play. Stepping on a guy doesn't do anything. Its just a chippy disrespectful move.

Clobbering a guy at the rim, to prevent a layup, is in fact a basketball play. You may not want the game to be played that way anymore, but it's generally intent or lack of judgment for why people apologize. I doubt Izzo apologizes bc thats how he coaches it. No layups at the rim. Foul.

Underwood certainly isn't coaching his guys to step on other players, which is why he apologized. It's apples and oranges.
 
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Slight hole in your argument: Sissoko was hit with a Flagrant 2 and immediately ejected from the game. So, literally by the book, deemed not a basketball play by the officials upon review.
Yes, and a hard foul even back in the day at least required some play on the ball, instead of against the man. In Ayo's case, the ball was already on its way out of bounds when he was hit. Not a basketball play.
But I believe the original commenter was right - that was what Izzo had asked for from Sissoko - basically to be a hockey enforcer. If you do the crime, you need to do the time.
 
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Hard fouls are a part of the game to most of us that grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. Watch any of the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Knicks. The difference between that style of play, and what Griffin did is quite different. Griffin's nonsense wasnt a basketball play. Stepping on a guy doesn't do anything. Its just a chippy disrespectful move.

Clobbering a guy at the rim, to prevent a layup, is in fact a basketball play. You may not want the game to be played that way anymore, but it's generally intent or lack of judgment for why people apologize. I doubt Izzo apologizes bc thats how he coaches it. No layups at the rim. Foul.

Underwood certainly isn't coaching his guys to step on other players, which is why he apologized. It's apples and oranges.
Agreed. So next year I hope Kofi comes back and let’s Emoni Bates skinny !!! get airborn and just flips him. No layups. Then I hope Brad says, “I hope Emoji is ok.” Tom will think it’s the right way to play.
 
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For those posters who scoff at there being any bias or intent by some to do anything they can to stick it to IL athletics, this is just one of dozens of examples in the last 30 years of exactly that happening. I know some posters are relatively new or young fans and may not be aware. Go back and research (Robert is a great resource here) the 1984 IL/Kentucky ncaa basketball game (elite 8 I believe) that was played on Kentucky's court and ushered in the neutral court rule, or the Deon Thomas recruiting "scandal" that crippled the program for a decade. Or the IL/Michigan football game Rocky Harvey "fumble" that ushered in replay, the IL/Miami tournament game out of bounds play that ushered in yet another replay rule. The list goes on and on. That's just off the top of my head, quickly. When considered, all together, it is a pattern that repeats over and over. It leaves only one logical conclusion. IL is not supposed to win, and any actions that can be taken to ensure that are just fine with the B10 and NCAA.

Not equating this situation with the examples listed. Just pointing out that it is consistent with a pattern involving IL athletics.
It truly is amazing the “screw” jobs we have been given over the years. This case here is obvious thug man must be suspended the fact that gutless Warren has done nothing just solidifies my position. I wish we were in the BIG 12 or some other league. There is a reason we as a league have not won the NCAA in 20 years. You can’t play like MSU is allowed to for 20 games and then adjust in the tournament. Basketball is fully a contact sport, but what we saw the other night was criminal

I know emotions are high after the MSU game and I'll probably get skewered for this but I'm amazed at how anyone can think there's a bias or conspiracy against a whole athletic program. Yes all of these examples were egregious but you're going back almost 40 years. I'm positive every fan base can recall every time they've felt they've been jobbed over the years. It's not unique to the Illini.

FWIW the B12 has won the same amount of NCAA titles as the B10 (one apiece) over the last 30 years so I don't think that's the problem.
 
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I know emotions are high after the MSU game and I'll probably get skewered for this but I'm amazed at how anyone can think there's a bias or conspiracy against a whole athletic program. Yes all of these examples were egregious but you're going back almost 40 years. I'm positive every fan base can recall every time they've felt they've been jobbed over the years. It's not unique to the Illini.

FWIW the B12 has won the same amount of NCAA titles as the B10 (one apiece) over the last 30 years so I don't think that's the problem.
Yeah unless you are in the ACC, SEC or old Big East it's been pretty dry for the other P5 conferences - P12, B10, and B12.
 
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Slight hole in your argument: Sissoko was hit with a Flagrant 2 and immediately ejected from the game. So, literally by the book, deemed not a basketball play by the officials upon review.
Given the hack job on Kofi came well after the whistle (by my biased recollection) I think Sissucko could have been hit with a F2 on that play as well. Coach Azzole should be ashamed of himself (sorry, it’s LAD time and I really just wanted to use my new favorite nickname for my new least favorite coach).
 
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Hard fouls are a part of the game to most of us that grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. Watch any of the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Knicks. The difference between that style of play, and what Griffin did is quite different. Griffin's nonsense wasnt a basketball play. Stepping on a guy doesn't do anything. Its just a chippy disrespectful move.

Clobbering a guy at the rim, to prevent a layup, is in fact a basketball play. You may not want the game to be played that way anymore, but it's generally intent or lack of judgment for why people apologize. I doubt Izzo apologizes bc thats how he coaches it. No layups at the rim. Foul.

Underwood certainly isn't coaching his guys to step on other players, which is why he apologized. It's apples and oranges.
Yeah, and Detroit was labeled a very dirty team. There's a reason they don't allow that type of play any more. It was just thuggery and not basketball and put players' careers in jeopardy. Clobbering a guy at the rim is in fact NOT a basketball play, its' a tech and possible ejection. Fouling someone at the rim is fine to prevent a layup, what that guy did was no where near close to that. Plus you also have to consider the score when playing like that. 10 point + lead is not the same as a 2 point game where a layup can decide the game.

And I grew up in the 80s. Griffin's play wasn't a basketball play either, but it was very tame in comparison to coming down on someone's head with elbows while in the air. Griffin stepped on the guy, did not stomp or go for the jewels. Not excusing it, but it in no way compares to the severity of what was done.
 
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Hard fouls are a part of the game to most of us that grew up in the 1980s and 1990s. Watch any of the Detroit Pistons, Miami Heat, Knicks. The difference between that style of play, and what Griffin did is quite different. Griffin's nonsense wasnt a basketball play. Stepping on a guy doesn't do anything. Its just a chippy disrespectful move.

Clobbering a guy at the rim, to prevent a layup, is in fact a basketball play. You may not want the game to be played that way anymore, but it's generally intent or lack of judgment for why people apologize. I doubt Izzo apologizes bc thats how he coaches it. No layups at the rim. Foul.

Underwood certainly isn't coaching his guys to step on other players, which is why he apologized. It's apples and oranges.
Look at the intent of the flagrant 2 rule and how it’s been called so many times. It wasn’t a play on the ball and it was after the whistle. I think it is exactly why the rule is in place - to protect a player. “Clobbering” a guy without even making a play for the ball is absolutely NOT supposed to be a “basketball play” at least not any more and it’s why this rule exists. Comparing “clobbering a guy” to a “hard foul” is the apples to oranges comparison here.
 
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Slight hole in your argument: Sissoko was hit with a Flagrant 2 and immediately ejected from the game. So, literally by the book, deemed not a basketball play by the officials upon review.
Yes and by the same officials (and the same guy) who thought it was OK to clobber Kofi on the head.
 
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Agreed. So next year I hope Kofi comes back and let’s Emoni Bates skinny !!! get airborn and just flips him. No layups. Then I hope Brad says, “I hope Emoji is ok.” Tom will think it’s the right way to play.
Would be good if we get pay back sooner. BTT.
I liked the edge Kofi had last night. His frustration showed and looks like he is in take no more !!!! mode.
 
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Underwood seemed to be saying Ayos injury is more serious than just a broken nose. Any illini doctors want to take an educated guess what the diagnosis may have been?
 
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Underwood seemed to be saying Ayos injury is more serious than just a broken nose. Any illini doctors want to take an educated guess what the diagnosis may have been?
Not a doctor but from watching a bunch of MMA fights and seeing the swelling on Ayo's eye it could be a broken orbital bone. Nothing definitive though
 
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That is what I thought that ithe hit was to the eye. Then they showed his eye and he had a black eye. Get well!
 
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altenberger22

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Underwood seemed to be saying Ayos injury is more serious than just a broken nose. Any illini doctors want to take an educated guess what the diagnosis may have been?
I'm getting the same vibe. Wondering if Ayo is possibly done for the season. Brad makes a good point in that his pro career trumps anything more he might do in college. Basketball is his career and livelihood.
 
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I'm getting the same vibe. Wondering if Ayo is possibly done for the season. Brad makes a good point in that his pro career trumps anything more he might do in college. Basketball is his career and livelihood.
No chance. Why would they be fitting him with a mask then
 
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I'm getting the same vibe. Wondering if Ayo is possibly done for the season. Brad makes a good point in that his pro career trumps anything more he might do in college. Basketball is his career and livelihood.
maybe regular season....that's it but he could be back as soon as sat
 
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