Pretty broad brush that you're painting with there.
Bob Huggins
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This conversation seemed to be wrapped up for the most part, but I just saw all this, I just wanted to let you know that you got the 5% backwards. 95% of people in the US would argue saying that word is wrong, 5% think that they can say those types of things without consequences. Freedom of speech is NOT freedom from consequence.
Edit: Also saw you say words are not violence. Words incite violence, if you don't think so that is just plain ignorance.
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But... but... but... NORMANDY!!
I appreciate the nuanced takes on here, but let's not pretend Bob Huggins is being persecuted for using a word wrong, misspeaking, or choosing an antiquated descriptor. He was using a slur as a means to denigrate people who don't even fit into that architype. It's not simply that he said a no-no word.
He used it to describe people, most of whom don't even meet the definition of the slur, in an attempt to denigrate them.
Toss in the fact that he made sure to point out they are also Catholic, and you have a whole word salad of inadvisable excrement.
In other words, in Bob's mind:
Gay=bad
Catholic=bad
He can be dismissive of these people because they are these things.
He's an embarrassment to his profession & his university. Whether or not UWV agrees says a lot about them as well...
He used it to describe people, most of whom don't even meet the definition of the slur, in an attempt to denigrate them.
Toss in the fact that he made sure to point out they are also Catholic, and you have a whole word salad of inadvisable excrement.
In other words, in Bob's mind:
Gay=bad
Catholic=bad
He can be dismissive of these people because they are these things.
He's an embarrassment to his profession & his university. Whether or not UWV agrees says a lot about them as well...
Huggins situation warrants taking into consideration semantics and context, which you described perfectly, and both condemn him. There's no other way to spin it other than that.
His speech is free. He’s not being imprisoned or fined by the government for what he said. You’re confusing freedom of speech with freedom from consequences.
Said it before, but bears repeating: it’s not a good idea to stereotype a whole generation.
Govoner Vaugn Fan
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True, You can ask Tucker Carlson about that
Well, you’re not wrong.
But those same restaurants would have all ended up serving red cabbage and brown beer with a picture of the Führer on the mantle. You go on and put whoever you want on a pedestal. But I’m thinking maybe a modicum of gratitude for that at least?
Why are we all so seemingly bad at acknowledging that more than one thing can be true at once?
So true…particularly when everything about a given generation is a media construct to begin with…
(I mean, has anyone ever heard of Generation Jones?…it’s a thing…between Boomers and Gen X-ers…I
)There’s NEVER an accurate representation of what’s out there anyway…(i.e. what all those people are all truly about) Then of course…it gets further spun & distorted by future generations as time marches on.
I haven’t ever met too many people that say you know: “ I love my generation. I agree with the so-called majority about everything.” (Whether it’s: Boomers, Gen-Xers, Millennials, or whatever…) lol
I don’t think you see too much of that sort of thing unless they’re banding together to exercise their prejudice towards another generation ex. millennials Vs Boomers blah bla..bla
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This statement is exactly the problem. You are making a generalized statement calling an entire generation racists. No one will listen to you after that kind of hyperbole.
The Sprouting Divot
Invisible and Bulletproof
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The original statement that portrayed both generations unrealistically while criticizing only one of them is the problem, not any response to it.
ChiefGritty
- Chicago, IL
So the use of loaded and hurtful terminology makes an exchange of ideas impossible and any suggestion that there is a freedom of expression in response an illusion?
How interesting!
Also, come on people, how have I not gotten to fill in "participation trophy" on my bingo card yet?
Stevegarbs
- Mokena, IL
Game threads are the worst.
If I was AD I wouldnt fire Huggins for use of the words but for lack of professionalism/class as a reflection on the University and President. Also lowering that bar sets an example to your other coaches and athletes.
A $1M fine for the statement is pretty hefty. His contract was only thru 2024 so he only had 1 more year on it.
Meyers Leonard was on a one year $9.4M contract with Miami Heat when he made his antisemitic slur on Twitch. He missed 2 seasons and is finally backing on league minimum $800k/year. That was a much more expensive mistake.
Meyers Leonard was on a one year $9.4M contract with Miami Heat when he made his antisemitic slur on Twitch. He missed 2 seasons and is finally backing on league minimum $800k/year. That was a much more expensive mistake.
The original post was referring to a cartoon--aka humor. The worst it did was called 18 year-olds hypersensitive. The response called the 18 year-olds from 1944 racists. So you saying being a racist is a bad as being too sensitive? Hyperbolic statements like the second post have diminished the actual stigma of being called a racist. And, it kind of proves the point of the cartoon.
TBH…..I personally have opinions on this topic which I choose to keep to myself.
I have actually rather enjoyed the opinions of all throughout the past number of pages.
Honestly…..way better than cottage cheese et al talk.
At least this has prompted me to think about the diversity on this board which is kinda cool.
Thanks to those who posted their views as I appreciated all the perspectives.
I have actually rather enjoyed the opinions of all throughout the past number of pages.
Honestly…..way better than cottage cheese et al talk.
At least this has prompted me to think about the diversity on this board which is kinda cool.
Thanks to those who posted their views as I appreciated all the perspectives.
I will agree, not everyone from the Jim Crow era was racist. Better?
Perhaps it was subtle, but my post was humor too even if it didn’t have a cartoon. The whole point was to poke fun of stereotyping a generation. It was meant to be an exaggeration because the first post one was even if it was unintentional. I guess words do mean something.
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I've read most of what was written here. I'll add my thoughts as a gay man. I have never been offended by this word. I know I probably should be and most of my friends are. Maybe my life experiences have helped. I have never been called bad names. I have never lost a friend or family member over the issue. I have never felt threatened. I may have benefited from being more "manly" acting.
I also realize that, especially for my older friends who had much harder lives and fought for the much more accepting world that I have benefited from, the word has a much different and darker meaning.
I think the real issue with this that many may fail to realize when they talk about free speech is that there are many people who wish to rid the world of gay people and they may feel empowered when they hear Huggins' words and feel compelled to act.
I also realize that, especially for my older friends who had much harder lives and fought for the much more accepting world that I have benefited from, the word has a much different and darker meaning.
I think the real issue with this that many may fail to realize when they talk about free speech is that there are many people who wish to rid the world of gay people and they may feel empowered when they hear Huggins' words and feel compelled to act.
Seems like you're getting pretty hypersensitive about a generation that was wildly racist being called racist.
Let’s be honest here. It’s not about 18 year olds crying over words. It’s about much older people finally being called out for the abhorrent words they’ve casually used since long before the storming of Normandy Beach. And they’re not taking it well.
But if my generation isn't a bunch of lazy, ambitionless, slackers, then whats my excuse?
I appreciate the clarification/explanation of intent. That is both useful and constructive.
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