Bowl/Playoff Selections

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#151      
I'd say it's a non truth. It is "the injury" narrative. I'd be extremely surprised if these businessmen on the committee weren't saying things like, "ya know, Bama sure brings a lot of eyeballs," and, "the Tide generate lots of ad revenue," etc.
Yep. See my post above one that you quoted. There was zero chance that playoffs did not have an SEC representative.
 
#152      
Since the selection criteria is that injuries do count in the CFP rankings, what would happen if Michael Penix Jr. tears an ACL this week in practice? Still plenty of time to re-select and make a change and bring in another team. That wouldn't happen, but now you no longer have the best four...Using injuries as a criteria sucks and will lead to hiding injuries as disciplinary issues for players not playing. I hate it...
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
Georgia has something like 29 wins in a row, loses to Bama...and now is 6th place? Georgia got the real whine.not FSU.
I do ultimately believe that Georgia might be one of the best four teams, but the win streak has no impact on anything. Only this season's records and team matter, not what they did the prior seasons. Georgia has no real case at all to be top 4. There were three undefeated P5 teams, and two teams ahead of them (including one that beat them) that are one-loss conference champs. Georgia also did not have that difficult of a schedule this year. Dropping to 6 is completely justifiable.

Money spoke more than anything else with the committee's decision to drop FSU behind Texas and Alabama. It makes me wonder what would have happened if Alabama would have not had the fluke win over Auburn. I suspect that somehow Georgia would have slid in at #4, as the SEC had to have a seat at the table. It is pure money that drives these decisions, when the results of games have to be the first criteria, IMO. The committee wiped that away by justifying that FSU was not good enough in their current roster construction to be a top 4 team, even though they easily coasted through their schedule and did their job every week. Only 3 P5 teams can claim that: Michigan, Washington, and Florida State, with Liberty being the non P5 undefeated team.

FSU has the whine, not a one loss team that did not win their conference.
 
#155      
Keep on sending out your " experts " claiming Alabama is in the playoff based on performance. Nothing and nobody will change the fact that the precious SEC couldnt be left out of the playoff.

Its the money stupid !
 
#156      
Can’t afford healthcare, climate is in dire need, corporate profits soaring, housing crises in all corners of the US……and Rick Scott is looking for answers.
Steve Brule What GIF
 
#158      
They came right out and openly admitted it was because of the injury to the FSU QB. They just needed any reason.
Correct- and that they didn’t look good with the backup in their conference championship

In fairness the NCAAB committee factors in injuries to key players too in selection and seeding for the tourny

Won’t be an issue next year with 12 teams in the playoffs - while it will be more difficult to differentiate- there will be much less gripe on the national stage of who should be 12 vs 13
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
Correct- and that they didn’t look good with the backup in their conference championship

In fairness the NCAAB committee factors in injuries to key players too in selection and seeding for the tourny

Won’t be an issue next year with 12 teams in the playoffs - while it will be more difficult to differentiate- there will be much less gripe on the national stage of who should be 12 vs 13
don’t count on it - life has a crazy way of imitating goofy scenarios where the 12 vs 13 seeding will be an issue and cause all kind of angst
 
#160      
There may not be any angst actually. It's just room for all the 1 loss non-confernce champs that they would have debated at 3/4 seeds.

The Oregon/Ohio State/Penn State/Notre Dames/Clemson/FSU types just get a tiny bit more margin for error. There's no G5's that are gonna get in regularly.
 
#161      
I do ultimately believe that Georgia might be one of the best four teams, but the win streak has no impact on anything. Only this season's records and team matter, not what they did the prior seasons. Georgia has no real case at all to be top 4. There were three undefeated P5 teams, and two teams ahead of them (including one that beat them) that are one-loss conference champs. Georgia also did not have that difficult of a schedule this year. Dropping to 6 is completely justifiable.

Money spoke more than anything else with the committee's decision to drop FSU behind Texas and Alabama. It makes me wonder what would have happened if Alabama would have not had the fluke win over Auburn. I suspect that somehow Georgia would have slid in at #4, as the SEC had to have a seat at the table. It is pure money that drives these decisions, when the results of games have to be the first criteria, IMO. The committee wiped that away by justifying that FSU was not good enough in their current roster construction to be a top 4 team, even though they easily coasted through their schedule and did their job every week. Only 3 P5 teams can claim that: Michigan, Washington, and Florida State, with Liberty being the non P5 undefeated team.

FSU has the whine, not a one loss team that did not win their conference.
FSU was not impressive in final games....also had the weakest of schedule...only wins against now ranked # 13 LSU and Louisville #16....Had to go to OT to beat unranked Clemson I can see why FSU was so desparetly trying to leave the ACC. The body of work for Georgia is more impressive....I cant see 5 teams ahead of Dogs....By virtue of losing to Bama by 3 seems more for the eye.
 
#162      

Illini4Chief

TENNESSEE
FSU was not impressive in final games....also had the weakest of schedule...only wins against now ranked # 13 LSU and Louisville #16....Had to go to OT to beat unranked Clemson I can see why FSU was so desparetly trying to leave the ACC. The body of work for Georgia is more impressive....I cant see 5 teams ahead of Dogs....By virtue of losing to Bama by 3 seems more for the eye.
Vegas Insider got Georgia win by 2 touchdowns........
 
#163      
Don't believe any starter has ever opted out of a CFP game. Could be wrong, but it is a guarantee that FSU won't have the QB1. They got it right, hate the look and message it sends, but if the goal was best 4 teams, they are correct.

Bama will run Michigan like a train. Texas will beat Washington. Bama beats longhorns in rematch. I hate everything Bama represents and who they are but it's going to happen like this.
This is where I have a big problem. Last year Alabama would have been favored against TCU for sure. So why does TCU get to the playoff even if they aren’t one of the four best teams? Because their QB hasn’t been injured yet? It makes zero sense.
 
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Illini2010-11

Sugar Grove
FSU was not impressive in final games....also had the weakest of schedule...only wins against now ranked # 13 LSU and Louisville #16....Had to go to OT to beat unranked Clemson I can see why FSU was so desparetly trying to leave the ACC. The body of work for Georgia is more impressive....I cant see 5 teams ahead of Dogs....By virtue of losing to Bama by 3 seems more for the eye.
If we use the final CFP rankings, Georgia does not have a body of work significantly more impressive than FSU to overcome having a loss and not winning their conference. Also Clemson is still a good win, especially on the road. They may have been unranked at the time, but they are #26 in the most recent AP/Coaches poll and in top 25 of final CFP rankings.

Ranked teams that FSU beat: LSU (#13), Louisville (#15), and @Clemson (#22)

Ranked teams that Georgia beat (lost to #4 Bama): Mizzou (#9), Ole Miss (#11), and @Tennessee (#21)

The fact remains that Georgia had a very soft non-conference schedule (UT Martin, Ball State, UAB, and @GT). Florida State, meanwhile, had LSU (neutral site destruction), Southern Miss, North Alabama, and @Florida). Pretty easy to say that Florida State played a tougher non-conference schedule, especially since half of them are against SEC teams. Georgia's strength of schedule is propped up by the perceived strength of the SEC, who literally have the softest non-conference schedules, making it very difficult to assess true strength of that league.

Is Georgia better than FSU, most likely, but the results of games have to matter. Most claim that TCU was not one of the best 4 teams last year, but they still ended up making the CFP final. The fact remains that Georgia did not win their conference, and in a four team playoff with three undefeated P5 teams and two one loss conference champs (including one who beat them); it is easy to see why Georgia slipped to #6. I just hate that the results of games did not matter more than a subjective analysis of one particular team. Georgia struggled with Georgia Tech the week before and Alabama should have lost to Auburn. So neither of those two teams exactly looked great in their final 2 games either. The committee had to find any way to ensure that the SEC was represented in the playoff, so they had to use the argument that FSU looked offensively terrible (ignoring the fact that the defense looked elite). If Georgia beats Bama, I highly doubt that Texas would have jumped FSU, and we would have 4 undefeated champs in the playoff. However, to have the SEC represented, the committee had to bring Texas along at the expense of FSU, since they beat Bama. The committee has to state that had nothing to do with their decision, but it is naïve to think otherwise.

At least next year we will not need to have this type of debate of high-level teams. The debate will be about fringe level two loss teams battling for the #11 seed in the playoff.

Given opt outs that are expected to come to a game that does not truly matter, I wonder how the Georgia/FSU game will play out. I expect Georgia to win, but it will look much different than if they played #1 vs #4 in the playoff, had Georgia beat Bama.
 
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#165      
It's just ironic that with a sport whose appeal comes from the fact that it is riddled with endless chaos... we attempt to fill its playoff spots using the most long-winded and contrived logic.

This is not a knock on anyone(all opinions are valid). It's just amazing.
 
#166      

Illini4Chief

TENNESSEE
We're putting way too much emphasis on Conference Champs.......the goal should be Best Football team....what if ACC ( not particularly high on the football rich conference) has so so teams yet wins Conference Champs.....should they get an auto bid just for winning the Conference. I can see the intent of the committee.....maybe the best football team has one loss. Georgia 14 points favorite yet ranked below FSU by committee?
 
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#167      
How can it be clear FSU is not a top four team when they won every game? I think too often people assume when a team doesn’t score much they are weak. Maybe the game plan going into the conference championship was run the ball, play defense, don’t put too much on a third string freshman qb, get a win, don’t worry about pretty, go 13-0 and make the playoffs. If the final score was 31-21 would the FSU doubters feel the same way?
FSU's Strength of Schedule was 55, and they hadn't beaten anyone special. LSU was their best win, and that was Bama's third best win. Alabama's SOS was 5th and just came off a win over Georgia. If we want to dig even deeper, it's hardly a discussion between FSU and Bama, it's really FSU and Texas. If UGA wins, Texas is sitting at 4 and FSU is out. People are just tired of Bama and that's why there's this much outrage. Louisville is not a good team either, they were just a byproduct of their incredibly easy schedule. FSU was also down 13-0 to FCS North Alabama, WITH Jordan Travis fwiw. Like I said, I feel horribly for FSU, they deserved to be in, but we see what happens when the committee puts in deserving teams over the best teams. TCU loses by 60. This was really the perfect year for 12. Such a shame we can't get that this year.
 
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Mr. Tibbs

southeast DuPage
going forward, what are the odds a really good 4* or 5* QB stays at one school for his entire college career? 5%?
 
#171      
Alabama hires former Michigan LB coach let go after last year. Saban is turning the screws on Harbaugh trying to make him do something desperate and get caught...AGAIN!!
 
#172      
Not sure where to put this but there’s a report that Minnesota is paying their backup QB 30k in NIL to play in their bowl game so that they have one available because their starter and 3rd string QB have already decided to transfer. I guess that’s the college sports world we live in but that’s wild to me.
 
#173      
Not sure where to put this but there’s a report that Minnesota is paying their backup QB 30k in NIL to play in their bowl game so that they have one available because their starter and 3rd string QB have already decided to transfer. I guess that’s the college sports world we live in but that’s wild to me.
how did Minny even get a bowl with a 5-7 record?

edit: sorry just read the earlier post about it
 
#174      
In the CFP era G5 schools have a 4-5 record in NY6 games so those matchups are usually much closer than people expect. Sounds like Oregons QB will sit out and I'm sure he'll be far from the only one for Oregon. Despite that, Oregon has a lot more talent but Jamey Chadwell probably has the most innovative offense in FBS at Liberty. It should be a fun shootout to watch.
Nix is not sitting out. We will be missing starting RB, Center, #1 WR and one D line starter also I thinke we'll be short one safety. We should be fine.
 
#175      
Nix is not sitting out. We will be missing starting RB, Center, #1 WR and one D line starter also I thinke we'll be short one safety. We should be fine.
I'm surprised there didn't end up being more opt outs. I think Liberty has just as many players sitting out as Oregon does. Regardless I'm looking forward to that game.
 
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