Bracketology (Week of Feb. 1st)

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ESPN has a braketology in which they project 68, 48 and 16 team fields, due to the uncertainty of how the tourney will play out. Lunardi projects us as a 3 seed in each of those brackets. Now sure how likely, if at all, it is that the tourney gets condensed like that but I think it underlines how important it is to get a higher seed this year. It would certainly be a bummer to be in the 5 or 6 seed range only to see the NCAA decide to go with a smaller 16 team tournament


Lunardi actually moved us up to the last 2 seed after Tuesday's games. Yesterday's Houston loss dropped them behind us and moved us up to the 3rd 2 seed. He doesn't update the web version daily but he was on SVP's show and updated his top 2 seeds.

This matters a lot this year since the NCAA has said they are going to basically seed straight down the S curve. (Not that Lunardi's S curve, specifically, matters, but in general, it's something to think about.)
 
#27      
ESPN has a braketology in which they project 68, 48 and 16 team fields, due to the uncertainty of how the tourney will play out. Lunardi projects us as a 3 seed in each of those brackets. Now sure how likely, if at all, it is that the tourney gets condensed like that but I think it underlines how important it is to get a higher seed this year. It would certainly be a bummer to be in the 5 or 6 seed range only to see the NCAA decide to go with a smaller 16 team tournament

I would love to be in the same region as Houston and Nova, that would be the best case scenario for us. Even though I am not scared of anyone, that would be the easiest path to the FF
 
#28      
I would love to be in the same region as Houston and Nova, that would be the best case scenario for us. Even though I am not scared of anyone, that would be the easiest path to the FF
Agree....any bracket that doesn't require us to meet Baylor before the final 4 is the one I would want to be in....believe they're the best team in college bkball and could run the table and become the first team to go undefeated since....Indiana....1976???
 
#29      
Agree....any bracket that doesn't require us to meet Baylor before the final 4 is the one I would want to be in....believe they're the best team in college bkball and could run the table and become the first team to go undefeated since....Indiana....1976???
But that pressure of being undefeated will be magnified by the media. But the Zags are in the same boat. Will be interesting to see how all this plays out
 
#30      
Depends on how we end the season, of course. But from my understanding, NET rankings are used less to seed teams and more to measure who you’ve beat & lost to.

So it’s possible to end the season with a top 4 net ranking & not get a 1 seed.
So far we only have one season of seeding based on NET, and the 1 seeds finished the season ranked 1, 2, 3 and 7 (North Carolina) in NET. 4th ranked Houston got seeded #3 due to their strength of schedule, which I don't see being a problem with this Illinois team.
 
#31      
Quad 1 Games (most played, record)
Maryland (12, 4-8)
Penn St. (10, 3-7)
Northwestern (10, 2-8)
tOSU (9, 6-3)
Illinois (9, 5-4)
Oklahoma (9, 4-5)
Rutgers (9, 4-5)
Kansas (9, 3-6)

No complaints about our scheduling to prepare us for the postseason! Still think we could easily be sitting at 16-1 or 15-2 right now
 
#32      
Carbondale, IL
Super interesting tool on Bart Torvik's site that compares the efficiency profiles of current teams with those of years past, and where those teams ended up in the tourney:

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So based on the average tourney wins of these teams, we should expect to be in a dogfight of a Sweet 16 game, which I would take!
 
#33      
After tOSU victory last night at Iowa, they lead the NCAA Q1 in victories with 7.
 
#34      
Super interesting tool on Bart Torvik's site that compares the efficiency profiles of current teams with those of years past, and where those teams ended up in the tourney:

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So based on the average tourney wins of these teams, we should expect to be in a dogfight of a Sweet 16 game, which I would take!
First weekend loss 40% of the time, but Elite 8 or better 50% of the time. Half of those first weekend losses were by 1 seeds!
 
#35      
Denver, CO
Quad 1 Games (most played, record)
Maryland (12, 4-8)
Penn St. (10, 3-7)
Northwestern (10, 2-8)
tOSU (9, 6-3)
Illinois (9, 5-4)
Oklahoma (9, 4-5)
Rutgers (9, 4-5)
Kansas (9, 3-6)

No complaints about our scheduling to prepare us for the postseason! Still think we could easily be sitting at 16-1 or 15-2 right now
What’s “tOSU”
 
#38      
We're a 2 seed in both Lunardi and Bennett's (The Athletic) brackets that dropped today. We have 4 Q1 games left on our current schedule. IF we make up the Michigan game, that would be a 5th and then we'd likely end up with more if there's a conference tournament.

Our 4 remaining Q1 games are Wisc, @Wisc, @OSU, and @Minn. I think as long as we go 2-2 in those and beat NW and Neb at home (Q3 and Q4), we'll be locked in as a 3 seed, at worst.
 
#39      
I think people get the “The Ohio State University” thing wrong a lot. It isn’t like saying “THE University of Michigan” it’s more to denote that Ohio State is the land grant college state unlike an Illinois State or Indiana State. The State University of Ohio. The Ohio State University. Ohio’s State University. It still irritates me but mostly because people use and copy it incorrectly moreso than it being pretentious imo.
 
#40      
BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
I think people get the “The Ohio State University” thing wrong a lot. It isn’t like saying “THE University of Michigan” it’s more to denote that Ohio State is the land grant college state unlike an Illinois State or Indiana State. The State University of Ohio. The Ohio State University. Ohio’s State University. It still irritates me but mostly because people use and copy it incorrectly moreso than it being pretentious imo.
Bold of you to assume that the people who refer to it as THE Ohio State University are even familiar with the concept of a land-grant university. The original intention might have been different, but the current usage is pretentious. Ask your average OSU fan, and they'll freely admit it.
 
#41      
A majority of B1G schools are land grant schools. Should abbreviate them all with a lower-case 't'?

tUoI?
tIU?
tMSU?
etc
 
#43      
Texas
With all the talk of pretentiousness, thought I'd drop some pretentious classical music to accompany the discussion. Adjust your monocles, grab your fancy goblets, and enjoy this nocturne:

 
#44      
A majority of B1G schools are land grant schools. Should abbreviate them all with a lower-case 't'?

tUoI?
tIU?
tMSU?
etc

Let’s get a couple things out of the way first. IU isn’t even a land grant school. Purdue is Indiana’s land grant university.

Schools like Michigan State and Penn State are big “state” schools but Illinois State and Indiana State are considered “little brother” schools, thus it can be difficult to know which school is THE state school. Which is why a school might want to identify themselves as THE state school.

tUofI doesn’t even make sense in the context of what I am talking about. Illinois is Illinois’ land grant university and “state school” but doesn’t have a “State” attached to it like Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State, which are also all land grant “state schools.” Therefore Illinois can’t use “The” to reinforce its state school status because “State” isn’t even in the school’s name to reinforce.

On the other hand Michigan State is the land grant school of Michigan so using The Michigan State University would totally make sense to identify themselves as THE state school versus the University of Michigan since it NOT the land grant state school. Same goes for Penn State and Penn. Or Iowa State and Iowa.

After seeing the backlash here and wondering if I could be wrong about all this, I decided to Google it before posting again. Here’s what I found:


From the Ohio State library website:

“Why are we called "THE" Ohio State University"?

In 1986, a new University logo was introduced in the hopes of moving away from the "OSU" symbol, which had been used since 1977. The change from simply "OSU" was said to "reflect the national stature of the institution." University officials wanted the institution to be known as "The Ohio State University," again, since OSU could also mean Oregon State and Oklahoma State University.

However, the "The" was actually part of the state legislation when the university was renamed in 1878. The following excerpt is from the Board of Trustee minutes:

"...the educational institution heretofore known as the 'Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College,' shall be known and designated hereafter as 'The Ohio State University.'"

Those who wanted the name change thought the original name was too narrow in scope, and that it was inadequate for the institution that was the only beneficiary of the land grant act. President Edward Orton was insistent that a new name would separate the institution from other colleges in Ohio.

Legend also has it that "The" was used to show the other colleges which institution was supposed to be the leader in the state - both in size and in financial support from the legislature.”

 
#45      
Let’s get a couple things out of the way first. IU isn’t even a land grant school. Purdue is Indiana’s land grant university.

Schools like Michigan State and Penn State are big “state” schools but Illinois State and Indiana State are considered “little brother” schools, thus it can be difficult to know which school is THE state school. Which is why a school might want to identify themselves as THE state school.

tUofI doesn’t even make sense in the context of what I am talking about. Illinois is Illinois’ land grant university and “state school” but doesn’t have a “State” attached to it like Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State, which are also all land grant “state schools.” Therefore Illinois can’t use “The” to reinforce its state school status because “State” isn’t even in the school’s name to reinforce.

On the other hand Michigan State is the land grant school of Michigan so using The Michigan State University would totally make sense to identify themselves as THE state school versus the University of Michigan since it NOT the land grant state school. Same goes for Penn State and Penn. Or Iowa State and Iowa.

After seeing the backlash here and wondering if I could be wrong about all this, I decided to Google it before posting again. Here’s what I found:


From the Ohio State library website:

“Why are we called "THE" Ohio State University"?

In 1986, a new University logo was introduced in the hopes of moving away from the "OSU" symbol, which had been used since 1977. The change from simply "OSU" was said to "reflect the national stature of the institution." University officials wanted the institution to be known as "The Ohio State University," again, since OSU could also mean Oregon State and Oklahoma State University.

However, the "The" was actually part of the state legislation when the university was renamed in 1878. The following excerpt is from the Board of Trustee minutes:

"...the educational institution heretofore known as the 'Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College,' shall be known and designated hereafter as 'The Ohio State University.'"

Those who wanted the name change thought the original name was too narrow in scope, and that it was inadequate for the institution that was the only beneficiary of the land grant act. President Edward Orton was insistent that a new name would separate the institution from other colleges in Ohio.

Legend also has it that "The" was used to show the other colleges which institution was supposed to be the leader in the state - both in size and in financial support from the legislature.”

I don't anybody thinks you're wrong - I just do and always will find it a pretentious thing for them to do.
 
#46      
Denver, CO
Bold of you to assume that the people who refer to it as THE Ohio State University are even familiar with the concept of a land-grant university. The original intention might have been different, but the current usage is pretentious. Ask your average OSU fan, and they'll freely admit it.
Good point. I thought that’s what it was referring to but wasn’t sure. I don’t think anyone on this board should be bolstering up the “THE” nonsense. Just refer it to “Some University in Ohio”
 
#49      
Chicago, IL
Let’s get a couple things out of the way first. IU isn’t even a land grant school. Purdue is Indiana’s land grant university.

Schools like Michigan State and Penn State are big “state” schools but Illinois State and Indiana State are considered “little brother” schools, thus it can be difficult to know which school is THE state school. Which is why a school might want to identify themselves as THE state school.

tUofI doesn’t even make sense in the context of what I am talking about. Illinois is Illinois’ land grant university and “state school” but doesn’t have a “State” attached to it like Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan State, which are also all land grant “state schools.” Therefore Illinois can’t use “The” to reinforce its state school status because “State” isn’t even in the school’s name to reinforce.

On the other hand Michigan State is the land grant school of Michigan so using The Michigan State University would totally make sense to identify themselves as THE state school versus the University of Michigan since it NOT the land grant state school. Same goes for Penn State and Penn. Or Iowa State and Iowa.

After seeing the backlash here and wondering if I could be wrong about all this, I decided to Google it before posting again. Here’s what I found:


From the Ohio State library website:

“Why are we called "THE" Ohio State University"?

In 1986, a new University logo was introduced in the hopes of moving away from the "OSU" symbol, which had been used since 1977. The change from simply "OSU" was said to "reflect the national stature of the institution." University officials wanted the institution to be known as "The Ohio State University," again, since OSU could also mean Oregon State and Oklahoma State University.

However, the "The" was actually part of the state legislation when the university was renamed in 1878. The following excerpt is from the Board of Trustee minutes:

"...the educational institution heretofore known as the 'Ohio Agricultural and Mechanical College,' shall be known and designated hereafter as 'The Ohio State University.'"

Those who wanted the name change thought the original name was too narrow in scope, and that it was inadequate for the institution that was the only beneficiary of the land grant act. President Edward Orton was insistent that a new name would separate the institution from other colleges in Ohio.

Legend also has it that "The" was used to show the other colleges which institution was supposed to be the leader in the state - both in size and in financial support from the legislature.”

This is a lot of work to justify a "t" in front of your acronym or an article in front of a name.

I'm still rolling my eyes when I hear it, even if it's codified into their state law.
 
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