Makes sense, so we should be rooting for Wich. St. cause that will clear a spot. I don't see how they get an at large with their schedule.
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frozenrope9190
- Aurora, IL
History of Big 10 Tourney:
Created it myself. W means they won the tourney. F means they lost in the finals. S means they lost in the Semis. I did a count of all three, and Illinois historically has been quite good, especially pre 2011. Michigan State and Ohio State are the top of the class, but Illinois is definitely 2nd tier with Wisconsin.
Created it myself. W means they won the tourney. F means they lost in the finals. S means they lost in the Semis. I did a count of all three, and Illinois historically has been quite good, especially pre 2011. Michigan State and Ohio State are the top of the class, but Illinois is definitely 2nd tier with Wisconsin.
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First 13 years of the BTT, the Illini made it at least to the semis 12 times, with 6 finals appearances and 2 championships.
Haven't made it past the quarters in the six years since.
Tells you pretty much all you need to know about Illinois's fall in stature in the conference.
peace davids
- Colorado
Updated from yesterday's action. Looks like the Kitties are truly legit and we are right where we need to be - in the conversation.
I'm love this little comparison tool that CBS has: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/NWEST/ILL
peace davids
- Colorado
and to be honest, I don't completely understand why GT is still in the conversation. 11th in the ACC, RPI of 94, SOS of 54. Their saving grace is 2 really good wins against UNC and Florida State, but they have two bad losses in OHIO and NC State (both worse than our Winthrop loss, and both at home).
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/GATECH/ILL
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/GATECH/ILL
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
For those curious, we are...
16-7 (.696) in Chicago
and
11-10 (.524) in Indianapolis
Way more fun when we play at home! Through Dee's senior year (I think Dee leaving Campus is many people's "beginning of the end"), we were...
13-4 (.795) in Chicago
and
3-3 (.500) in Indianapolis
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The committee has said that while RPI is considered, it is one of multiple indices used; Sagarin being another. The RPI is acknowledged as being so poor an indicator that they are going to stop using it. It normally takes a Sagarin rating under 40 to be in. A rating of 45 and strongly trending up, is a last four in resume. Ratings of 50+ are the wrong side of the bubble.
If you look at the Sagarin ratings, Kenpom, etc. Syracuse is ~40th. If they had any deced road wins, they would be in. The lack is why they are part of the last four in discussion.
IL on the other hand has a LONG way to go by the numbers. IL is currently ~65 on both Sagarin and Kenpom. Blow out wins at Rutgers and Iowa (30+ each) and another solid win (Purdue), probably won't break the 50 barrier. It certainly won't make 45th. The only way in right now is for a lot of the committee members give us a bye via the eye test.
If IL makes the field, they are likely the one that everyone else says 'Why did they get our slot. Our numbers are better.'
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If they beat Rutgers, Iowa and Purdue.....At 21-13, with the amount of top 100 wins they'd have, top 50 wins they'd have, a top 25 win., 7 or 8 Road/Neutral court wins at that point.....Nobody is going to question them whatsoever.
I know they don't put it in writing that they take it into consideration, but winning 7 in a row....5 of them being away from home....IL wouldn't have to justify their inclusion to anybody.
Now.....All of those are mighty big "ifs".
View of illini from Syracuse sportswriter
Here is a view of the bubble from Syracuse vantage point:
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske..._much_bigger_problems_for_syracuse_march.html
Here is a view of the bubble from Syracuse vantage point:
http://www.syracuse.com/orangebaske..._much_bigger_problems_for_syracuse_march.html
BillyBob1
- Champaign
This is great! Compare us with Xavier and explain how Xavier is such a lock with an 8 or 9 seed?
It would be a travesty if Illinois State doesn't make the tournamnet
The NCAA is investigating using more analytics as part of the process, but there are no definitive plans yet, they hope to have something in place next year. So yes, they have access to Sagarin, Pomeroy, etc but RPI is still the official tool used even as they down play its importance.
Iowa splits, Michigan loses to Nebby (assuming we beat Rutgers) makes us a 7 seed.
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I agree. They've had a great season and if they get to the MVC Championship game, they should be in without question.
I do find it somewhat humorous in some of our fans puffing our chests out on how deserving we are over a team like Illinois State, who has played great since December.
Three weeks ago, we're ready to fire the coach, the team wasn't NIT worthy.....The SFC was on the verge of being burned to the ground....
ISU is going to win between 25-28 games, they won their conference regular season championship and we'll see what happens this weekend. If they get to the Championship game, lose to Wichita State and get left out.....That would be BRUTAL. They've done the work.
We still have work to do.
I think they are still in, but the way they are going they could easily lose to Depaul this weekend. That happens and I think they're gone.
Why?
Lost to #232 RPI
Best win is vs #41 RPI
Next best is #87
After that? #114
One decent win, one horrible loss and a bunch of meh wins
I'll never figure out how they judge teams, (especially RPI). I hope ISU makes it along with Illinois, the more in state teams the merrier, but I can't figure out how they are even close. Sure, you can only play who is on the schedule, but....
Illinois State
SOS - 141
RPI - 32
Teams ranked 1-50 - 1-1
Teams ranked 51-100 - 1-2
Teams ranked 101-200 - 12- 1 (114 Tulsa on the road)
Teams ranked 201+ - 10-1 (236 Murray State on the road)
Illinois
SOS - 18
RPI - 56
Teams ranked 1-50 - 5-8
Teams ranked 51-100 - 6-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 1-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 5-0
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Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Go Badgers!!! Go Huskers!!!
Iowa up 6. So, we should be cheering for Wiscy over Iowa?
I would rather Iowa win this one and lose to Penn State. This makes sure both Iowa and Penn State stays in the top 100 RPI.
Exactly. Terrible resume. They should only be in if they win their tournament.
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Okay, I was bored....
Syracuse
SOS - 42
RPI - 79
Teams ranked 1-50 - 6-7
Teams ranked 50-100 - 2-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 3-2 (Losses to 109 UConn - neutral and 128 St. John's - home)
Teams ranked 201+ - 6-1 (Loss to 208 BC - road)
Xavier
SOS - 6
RPI - 35
Teams ranked 1-50 - 3-8
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 8-1 (Loss to 115 Colorado on the road,)
Teams ranked 201+ - 2-0
Seton Hall
SOS - 51
RPI - 48
Teams ranked 1-50 - 3-6
Teams ranked 50-100 - 6-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 2-1 (Loss to 128 St. JOhn's on the road.)
Teams ranked 201+ - 8-0
Wake Forest
SOS - 22
RPI - 40
Teams ranked 1-50 - 2-9
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 5-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 5-0
Wichita State
SOS - 150
RPI - 41
Teams ranked 1-50 - 1-4
Teams ranked 50-100 - 1-0
Teams ranked 101-200 - 11-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 13-0
Vanderbilt
SOS - 3
RPI - 49
Teams ranked 1-50 - 4-7
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-6
Teams ranked 101-200 - 5-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 2-1 (Loss to 255 Missouri on the road.)
Marquette
SOS - 57
RPI - 58
Teams ranked 1-50 - 6-6
Teams ranked 50-100 - 3-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 2-1 (Loss to 128 St. John's on the road.)
Teams ranked 201+ -7-0
Rhode Island
SOS - 53
RPI - 44
Teams ranked 1-50 - 2-3
Teams ranked 50-100 - 2-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 10-1 (Loss to 132 LaSalle at home.)
Teams ranked 201+ -6-1 (Loss to 207 Fordham at home.)
Illinois
SOS - 18
RPI - 56
Teams ranked 1-50 - 5-8
Teams ranked 50-100 - 6-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 1-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 5-0
Syracuse
SOS - 42
RPI - 79
Teams ranked 1-50 - 6-7
Teams ranked 50-100 - 2-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 3-2 (Losses to 109 UConn - neutral and 128 St. John's - home)
Teams ranked 201+ - 6-1 (Loss to 208 BC - road)
Xavier
SOS - 6
RPI - 35
Teams ranked 1-50 - 3-8
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 8-1 (Loss to 115 Colorado on the road,)
Teams ranked 201+ - 2-0
Seton Hall
SOS - 51
RPI - 48
Teams ranked 1-50 - 3-6
Teams ranked 50-100 - 6-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 2-1 (Loss to 128 St. JOhn's on the road.)
Teams ranked 201+ - 8-0
Wake Forest
SOS - 22
RPI - 40
Teams ranked 1-50 - 2-9
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-3
Teams ranked 101-200 - 5-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 5-0
Wichita State
SOS - 150
RPI - 41
Teams ranked 1-50 - 1-4
Teams ranked 50-100 - 1-0
Teams ranked 101-200 - 11-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 13-0
Vanderbilt
SOS - 3
RPI - 49
Teams ranked 1-50 - 4-7
Teams ranked 50-100 - 5-6
Teams ranked 101-200 - 5-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 2-1 (Loss to 255 Missouri on the road.)
Marquette
SOS - 57
RPI - 58
Teams ranked 1-50 - 6-6
Teams ranked 50-100 - 3-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 2-1 (Loss to 128 St. John's on the road.)
Teams ranked 201+ -7-0
Rhode Island
SOS - 53
RPI - 44
Teams ranked 1-50 - 2-3
Teams ranked 50-100 - 2-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 10-1 (Loss to 132 LaSalle at home.)
Teams ranked 201+ -6-1 (Loss to 207 Fordham at home.)
Illinois
SOS - 18
RPI - 56
Teams ranked 1-50 - 5-8
Teams ranked 50-100 - 6-4
Teams ranked 101-200 - 1-0
Teams ranked 201+ - 5-0
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