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#3      
I don't think it matters what our seed is. We've already shown that we can beat top 10 teams. We've shown that we can dominate top 25 teams (for halfs), but we've also shown that we can get beat by pretty much anyone and get destroyed by good not great teams.

So who we play doesn't matter as much as how we play.
 
#4      

theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
@WhiteHorseWings The best I got was a 6 way tie for 2nd with 12-8 records.
Iowa
Maryland
Rutgers
Northwestern
Indiana
Illinois

Michigan state could have gotten there too but there game against Minnesota was cancelled.
 
#5      

theNewGuy

Dallas, TX
How to get double bye:

Assumptions:
Win against Michigan and at Purdue.
Rutgers beats Minnesota
Iowa beats Nebraska

Games of no consequence:
Wisconsin/Purdue
Michigan St/Ohio St
Wisconsin/Minnesota

Rest of games:
NWU v PSU
OSU v Maryland
Indiana v Michigan
PSU v Maryland
RU v NWU

There are 12 scenarios out of the 32 possibilities that lead to a 3 or 4 seed. 11 of those 12 scenarios requires Michigan to beat Indiana.
 
#6      
This scenario get us the 2 seed after tie breakers.
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#7      
Simple, we win out.
- Iowa loses to Nebraska
- scUM beats Indiana
- Rutgers beats Northwestern

We get 3 seed and a chance to right the ship, eliminate our 3 point shooting, develop an offense, fine tune defense, and figure out a way to play hard for 40 minutes with a go to play for when we have 1 of our 3, every game stretches, of not scoring for 5 minutes.
 
#9      
Why do i have a feeling we’re gonna play Gonzaga in the round of 32….

And beat them.
Thinking that it's more likely that we play Kansas, Alabama or Houston.

We'll, first we have to assume that we don't go 4 of 26 from three and lose in the 8/9 game.

We don't match up well vs any of them. Doesn't mean we can't beat them, but it would take a 13 of 26 type three point shooting night and for Epps and DD to be significantly better on both ends.
 
#10      
I love all the positivity, but with this team this year, those positive scenarios will not play out. I sincerely hope I am wrong, though.

I'll just be ecstatic with a win over Michigan at this point. A Purdue loss should not hurt their seeding for the NCAA tournament.

Win a game or two in the Big Ten tournament and just maybe the 8/9th seed will be avoided.
 
#11      

OnlyOrange

Belleville, IL
Thinking that it's more likely that we play Kansas, Alabama or Houston.

We'll, first we have to assume that we don't go 4 of 26 from three and lose in the 8/9 game.

We don't match up well vs any of them. Doesn't mean we can't beat them, but it would take a 13 of 26 type three point shooting night and for Epps and DD to be significantly better on both ends.
Has to be Kansas or Houston for the storylines, right? Seems obvious to me IMO (*if* we got past round 1)
 
#12      
Has to be Kansas or Houston for the storylines, right? Seems obvious to me IMO (*if* we got past round 1)
I think a rematch with Texas or UCLA looms on the horizon...provided we are playing on the second weekend, which I'm pretty confident we will be. We play to the level of our opponent, after all...
 
#14      
Why do i have a feeling we’re gonna play Gonzaga in the round of 32….

And beat them.

I'm not sure why you have that feeling. They are most likely going to end up a 3 seed and we're nowhere near a 6 seed.

Your irrational confidence in us beating Gonzaga is also questionable. Here are the tournament teams Illinois has beaten, their current NCAA tournament seed, and when Illinois beat them:

UCLA (2) 11/18
Texas (2) 12/6
Wisconsin (11/play-in) 1/7
MSU (7) 1/13
Wisconsin (11/play-in)1/28
Rutgers (9) 2/11

So many people keep pointing to our ceiling. We haven't hit our ceiling in nearly 3 months. Is it possible we hit it again soon? Sure. Is it even remotely likely? No.
 
#15      
I'm not sure why you have that feeling. They are most likely going to end up a 3 seed and we're nowhere near a 6 seed.

Your irrational confidence in us beating Gonzaga is also questionable. Here are the tournament teams Illinois has beaten, their current NCAA tournament seed, and when Illinois beat them:

UCLA (2) 11/18
Texas (2) 12/6
Wisconsin (11/play-in) 1/7
MSU (7) 1/13
Wisconsin (11/play-in)1/28
Rutgers (9) 2/11

So many people keep pointing to our ceiling. We haven't hit our ceiling in nearly 3 months. Is it possible we hit it again soon? Sure. Is it even remotely likely? No.
Well I don't know or have a prediction on how this season plays out but I always try to remain optimistic. We've been up and down all year with some good wins and bad losses. I think it will be taken into account that our wins over UCLA and Texas will carry a lot of weight. UCLA has won their conference and Texas is still in the running to win theirs. That is a very big feather in our cap to have.
 
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PizzaHutParkingLot

McPherson, KS
Thinking that it's more likely that we play Kansas, Alabama or Houston.

We'll, first we have to assume that we don't go 4 of 26 from three and lose in the 8/9 game.

We don't match up well vs any of them. Doesn't mean we can't beat them, but it would take a 13 of 26 type three point shooting night and for Epps and DD to be significantly better on both ends.
This might just be copium and I know it was ages ago, but I can't help but wonder if the 'secret scrimmage' might prove useful if we met up with KU...
 
#17      
Relevant NET updates of Illini opponents today. Wins are listed first, and then they are listed in order of how unlikely they are to drop down to the next Quadrant. Just under the heading, I put a reminder of what qualifies for each category ... mostly to help me as I typed this! :ROFLMAO:

Quad 1
H: #1-30, N: #1-50, A: #1-75
W
vs. #4 UCLA (Las Vegas, NV)
W vs. #10 Texas (New York, NY)
W at #74 Wisconsin
L at #20 Maryland
L at #28 Indiana
L at #33 Iowa
L at #41 Northwestern
L vs. #29 Virginia (Las Vegas, NV)
L at #60 Penn State
L at #64 Ohio State
L vs. #28 Indiana
L vs. #49 Missouri (St. Louis, MO)

at #5 Purdue

Quad 2
H: #31-75, N: #51-100, A: #76-135
W
vs. #31 Michigan State
W vs. #32 Rutgers
W vs. #41 Northwestern
W at #94 Nebraska
W vs. #64 Ohio State
W vs. #74 Wisconsin
L vs. #60 Penn State

vs. #55 Michigan

Results Close to Moving

- If Wisconsin drops TWO spots, we will lose both a Quad 1 and a Quad 2 win. Simply put, Wisconsin dropping out of the top 75 is a dagger to our resume.
- Similarly, it would be SO nice to have Rutgers and MSU sneak back into the top 30. The difference between (A) 3-9 in Quad 1 and 6-1 in Quad 2 and (B) 5-9 in Quad 1 and 4-1 in Quad 2 is actually pretty huge.
- On the more pessimistic side but not quite as important, it would be really nice to keep Indiana in the top 30 and Mizzou in the top 50 so that we could avoid those home/neutral losses slipping into Quad 2...

More Notes
- Making this was a bummer ... I'll never stop supporting this team, but losses at Iowa, Indiana, Maryland and vs. Virginia were SO close to being marquee wins. None of that is to even mention the frustration in just not showing up in Evanston or Columbus to what should have been relatively easy Quad 1 wins with better effort (yes, I count the game in Evanston as a "should have won" ... they had not hit their stride yet, and we played awfully in the second half).
- Neither potential loss left in our regular season will be a "bad" loss to the Committee ... we simply will not have one of those on Selection Sunday unless we somehow get it in the BTT. Losses here are perhaps even worse at this point given our resume - they're lost OPPORTUNITIES.
- With all of that said, we have two massive opportunities this week. Beat Michigan and lose to Purdue, and we at least take a positive (albeit small) step forward RE: seeding and we can see what happens in Chicago! Win both, and our resume is totally remade ... not even being dramatic.

Rooting Interests ... From What I Can Tell
- WISCONSIN! The Badgers finish vs. Purdue and at Minnesota. Neither Minnesota win means jack for our resume, and Purdue will be Quad 1 no matter what. I am not worried about our game in West Lafayette being different depending on their result in Madison tomorrow ... if we show up, we'll have a chance, and if we don't, we won't. Period. We REALLY need Wisconsin to stay in the top 75, and that at least requires going 1-1 this week. Going 2-0 would definitely do the trick.
- Rutgers ... RU finishes at Minnesota and vs. Northwestern, and 2-0 is not unrealistic. Again, Minnesota doesn't matter and our NU losses are going to stay right where they are regardless, so root for Rutgers in both! We need RU to jump from #32 to #30 to give us another Quad 1 win, and they can definitely achieve that this week.
- Michigan State ... MSU finishes with OSU at home, and we need them to win to jump from #31 to #30 to give us another Quad 1 win. Our road win at Nebraska is staying put as Quad 2, and for some reason the computers love OSU so they have a good shot of staying top 75; so, root for Sparty!
- Indiana ... BLECH, but it's true. If they drop below #30 (they're #28 right now) after a home loss to Michigan, we'd have another Quad 2 loss. Additionally, who the hell wants Juwan and Hunter Dickhead to make the NCAAs and possibly squeak into the Second Weekend again if we possibly don't?! That's nightmare fuel for me.

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ALL THAT
- I'm not sure just how much the Selection Committee uses all these numbers vs. more intangible things like the eye test and bracket matchup logistics, but there are quite a few things outlined above that are REALLY close to breaking either in our favor or against us if a few teams move up/down the rankings. On that note...
- It's crazy, but we could get THREE more Quad 1 wins this week with an upset in West Lafayette and some very realistic results going our way in other games. This week is huge. Obviously, the main focus is on us, as we control our own destiny - we have two chances for good wins this week, with one being a potential resume DEFINER. On that note...
- If we can beat UCLA (actually our best win, according to the Committee) and Texas, we can beat Purdue. Even in Mackey. They lost to Rutgers at home, they only beat a (terrible-on-the-road) Maryland team by 3 at home and they just got outplayed for 40 minutes by Indiana at home. We will obviously need to bring our A-game, and we all know consistency is this team's biggest enemy ... but it has to lift our spirits a bit to even know that our A-game could win a game like this, right?!

To sum up, it all starts with obviously getting at least one win this week and hopefully two. After that, though, some movement in the NET Rankings could very significantly impact how our resume looks. Come Monday (Parotheads??), our Quad 1 record could be anywhere from 2-10 to 6-9 depending on our results and movement in the rankings. This week, needless to say, very well could define what this team's ceiling ends up being.
 
#18      
I'm not sure why you have that feeling. They are most likely going to end up a 3 seed and we're nowhere near a 6 seed.

Your irrational confidence in us beating Gonzaga is also questionable. Here are the tournament teams Illinois has beaten, their current NCAA tournament seed, and when Illinois beat them:

UCLA (2) 11/18
Texas (2) 12/6
Wisconsin (11/play-in) 1/7
MSU (7) 1/13
Wisconsin (11/play-in)1/28
Rutgers (9) 2/11

So many people keep pointing to our ceiling. We haven't hit our ceiling in nearly 3 months. Is it possible we hit it again soon? Sure. Is it even remotely likely? No.
Minor nitpick, but we also beat Northwestern rather recently - 2/23. Not sure where they are being seeded in whatever source you used.
 
#19      

chrisRunner7

Spokane, WA
I don't think it matters what our seed is. We've already shown that we can beat top 10 teams. We've shown that we can dominate top 25 teams (for halfs), but we've also shown that we can get beat by pretty much anyone and get destroyed by good not great teams.

So who we play doesn't matter as much as how we play.
100% agree. I think the chances of going to the second weekend are low and don't change much whether Illinois is seeded 7 through 10.

It just depends on whether the team comes to play with energy/effort on defense and whether we jack up a lot of missed threes. Maybe we get lucky and Hawkins or Shannon get hot in the tournament, but I'd like to see the whole team cut back on contested threes or early-in-the-shot-clock threes. I still have confidence in most of the rotation players (except Sencire and obviously Ty/Dain) to take wide open threes with set feet in the flow of the offense if we can't get anything better.

I just hope, hope, hope that when Illinois does lose in the tournament, it's a closely contested game with good effort (i.e., the recent Iowa loss on the road) and not one of these blowout games like Penn State or the first Indiana game that will leave the fans extremely frustrated.
 
#20      
Minor nitpick, but we also beat Northwestern rather recently - 2/23. Not sure where they are being seeded in whatever source you used.

Shoot. I had 6 teams in my head and when I got to 6 games (Wisconsin twice) I brain-farted. Good catch.

I just used the bracketmatrix.com so throw them in as a 6 seed.

(It's also just hard to think Northwestern = tournament team!)
 
#21      
Regarding the BTT, if you assume the Illini beat Michigan and lose to Purdue on the road, these are the "realistic" different scenarios I could get:

(1) Default: #8 seed vs. #9 Michigan at 11:00 am on Thursday, vs. #1 Purdue at 11:00 am on Friday
(2) NU wins at Rutgers: #7 seed vs. #10 Wisconsin at 5:30 pm on Thursday, vs. #2 Maryland at 5:30 pm on Friday
NU
(3) Scenario 2 plus Maryland loses at OSU and at PSU: #6 seed vs #14 Minnesota or #11 Penn State at 8:00 pm on Thursday, vs. #3 Iowa at 8:00 pm on Friday

Give me those bottom two, especially (3)! I just really want to go to a game, haha. Of course, if we beat Michigan and Purdue all sorts of possibilities open up.
 
#22      
I'm not sure why you have that feeling. They are most likely going to end up a 3 seed and we're nowhere near a 6 seed.

Your irrational confidence in us beating Gonzaga is also questionable. Here are the tournament teams Illinois has beaten, their current NCAA tournament seed, and when Illinois beat them:

UCLA (2) 11/18
Texas (2) 12/6
Wisconsin (11/play-in) 1/7
MSU (7) 1/13
Wisconsin (11/play-in)1/28
Rutgers (9) 2/11

So many people keep pointing to our ceiling. We haven't hit our ceiling in nearly 3 months. Is it possible we hit it again soon? Sure. Is it even remotely likely? No.
FreshlyPeeved
 
#23      
Regarding the BTT, if you assume the Illini beat Michigan and lose to Purdue on the road, these are the "realistic" different scenarios I could get:

(1) Default: #8 seed vs. #9 Michigan at 11:00 am on Thursday, vs. #1 Purdue at 11:00 am on Friday
(2) NU wins at Rutgers: #7 seed vs. #10 Wisconsin at 5:30 pm on Thursday, vs. #2 Maryland at 5:30 pm on Friday
NU
(3) Scenario 2 plus Maryland loses at OSU and at PSU: #6 seed vs #14 Minnesota or #11 Penn State at 8:00 pm on Thursday, vs. #3 Iowa at 8:00 pm on Friday

Give me those bottom two, especially (3)! I just really want to go to a game, haha. Of course, if we beat Michigan and Purdue all sorts of possibilities open up.
Also we can have Minnesota beat Rutgers or OSU beat MSU and we would be the 7 seed as well. Not as likely but Rutgers has been bad lately and you never know with OSU. Please give me the late sessions in Chicago.
 
#25      
I don’t understand the seed obsessions either. You gotta beat the good and bad teams anyway. Just get it done. When we are good we are really really good and when we are bad we are awful. Quite frankly I’d like to play PSU, Maryland, or Indiana again. That should get the juice going.
I think that’s our point of getting the 6/7 seed. We would avoid Purdue(if we get past the dreaded 8/9 game who might be someone playing for their tournament lives.) Also playing the night sessions the first couple of rounds brings a better atmosphere and more capability of our fans being in attendance.
 
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