Bracketology

Status
Not open for further replies.
#576      
From the cheap seats
I am way more concerned with the Illini being their own toughest opponent. If Tomi regains his confidence, Kylan returns to form defensively and Andrej plays up to his capability, it won’t matter if it’s a 6 or 7 seed. The same is true the other direction if those players don’t play up to their capabilities.
 
#577      
alaskaillini
Glad to see Coach Groce doing well. He's an upstanding guy and a good coach. I think he just had difficulty recruiting in the Big 10.
Click to expand...
If he had BU's assistants, he would not have to have done everything himself and he would have been fine.
 
#578      
illini510
AnnaMay said:
They might get in, because a lot of people like yourself makes stupid decisions off of emotions instead of data. You can certainly have your opinion that they earned a birth due to playing a bunch of glorified high school teams, but putting them in would be setting quite a precedent for mid major teams to just ignore playing anyone worth a damn in the non conference. Miami OH played 3 naia schools in their non conference schedule. Its pretty ridiculous.
Click to expand...
Glorified high school teams? You hold no credibility with that statement alone. Sorry, I just cannot take you very seriously right now
 
#579      
illini510
grue2 said:
Accepting the conference rules is very different than choosing that team to be in the tournament.
Click to expand...
There are always exceptions to the rule. A team going undefeated in the regular season is a worthy enough reason to be automatically entered into the tournament.
 
#581      
Illini2010-11
illini510 said:
There are always exceptions to the rule. A team going undefeated in the regular season is a worthy enough reason to be automatically entered into the tournament.
Click to expand...
Hard disagree here. I don't like a rule to automatically enter an undefeated team into a lock at-large bid. If a conference wants to change their selection rules for their autobid, that is their prerogative. It is a dangerous precedent to tell a lower-level conference team to set an easy schedule, and if you go undefeated in non-conference schedule, you have two ways to make tourney (winning all regular season conference games or conference tournament).

Now with that said, I still think Miami makes the tourney...there just doesn't need to be a hard rule to mandate it.
 
#582      
illini510
Illini2010-11 said:
Hard disagree here. I don't like a rule to automatically enter an undefeated team into a lock at-large bid. If a conference wants to change their selection rules for their autobid, that is their prerogative. It is a dangerous precedent to tell a lower-level conference team to set an easy schedule, and if you go undefeated in non-conference schedule, you have two ways to make tourney (winning all regular season conference games or conference tournament).

Now with that said, I still think Miami makes the tourney...there just doesn't need to be a hard rule to mandate it.
Click to expand...
There is no easy schedule in Division 1 college basketball. If there was, then we'd see undefeated teams every year or nearly every year. This is a bad take. Some people need to get some perspective here. I am tired of people making it seem like beating Division 1 opponents in the MAC is equivalent to beating high school teams or beating an AAU team

It is very tiring to see people poo poo a team who went undefeated in Division 1 COLLEGE basketball regardless of conference. It's clear that certain posters are not giving proper credit or respect because they never actually watched Miami play. Maybe they saw some highlights but they never actually watched full Miami games so their credibility in making statements like what you and others have made is put into question.

I watched several Miami games this season. They play a good brand of basketball, they have multiple high level players, and they pass the eye test. That's the most important thing to me. I watched Auburn several times. I watched Indiana several times. Those two teams are utter mid garbage and do not whatsoever deserve a seat at the table regardless of having better metrics than Miami. They have better metrics automatically for the conferences that they are in. But when you actually sit down, with your eyes, and watch full games, you will clearly realize what team deserves a spot and what teams do not deserve a spot

Use your eyes, watch the games, and I am certain you will come to the same conclusion. I have no bias since I have no affiliation with Miami of Ohio. I watched one or two games and after that, I made it a point to record any additional games I saw of theirs on CBS Sports Network or ESPNU b/c I actually enjoyed watching their brand of basketball. I probably watched 5 of their games in total that were televised on TV so I speak as someone who probably saw more of their games than you or some of these other posters who pretend to know much about Miami.
 
Last edited:
#583      
grue2
illini510 said:
There are always exceptions to the rule. A team going undefeated in the regular season is a worthy enough reason to be automatically entered into the tournament.
Click to expand...
That is one opinion. Others on this board clearly disagree. I think the horse died several hundred responses ago.
 
#584      
mysterio2525
still hoping for 2 seed but prepared for a 3 seed. just hoping that Iowa State is the 2 seed if that's the case as I think we can beat them.... if we get our heads out of our....
 
#585      
March2TheArch
still hoping for 2 seed but prepared for a 3 seed. just hoping that Iowa State is the 2 seed if that's the case as I think we can beat them.... if we get our heads out of our....
Click to expand...
We’re not getting a 2 seed. Can put that fantasy to bed. Forgot what 2 seed we get, the 6 seeds this year are a murder’s row. We may not even be favorites to win the 3/6 depending on the matchup.
 
#586      
Illini in Italy
BoiseBaller said:
We are solidly a 3, because our midseason run gives us a lot of grace for our late season swoon.

Going back and forth over a possible 2 or 4 seed is like arguing with grandpa at Thanksgiving about which of your uncles was more drunk. What a waste of energy.
Click to expand...
Loyalty until the announcement today:


"We're a 4!"
Angry Sean Young GIF by Arrow Video



"No, we're a 2!"
Angry Sean Young GIF by Arrow Video


"No, dammit, we're a 3"
Angry Sean Young GIF by Arrow Video
 
#587      
Illini in Italy
Illinisnake said:
Spot on. This roster has the ability to make a final four run. But the way they are playing as a team right now isn’t going to allow that to happen. We just can’t defend athletic/fast guards, and the tournament will be full of them. If we aren’t rebounding the ball and can’t hit threes, we are useless. When we are doing both of those things we are unstoppable. They better wake up.
Click to expand...
The cigars is pretty much true for all 64 (8) teams that make the tourney up to a point, certainly the top 20 teams. See 2011 UCONN for inspiration as to what a team can do when a team gets on a heater. See 2018 and 2023 Purdue for solace as it happens elsewhere in the B1G.
 
#589      
Fly Illini Fly!
jrichisamazing said:
So what 6 seed and 2 seed do we want in our regional?

Potential 6 seeds - BYU, UNC, Tenn, Louisville

Potential 2 seeds - UConn, Iowa St, Houston

I really don't know if I can pick one out of each group. We can beat any of them, but also lose to any of them. I think BYU and Louisville are most likely to be upset by an 11. UConn and Iowa St are more likely to get upset than Houston is.
Click to expand...
If these are the 6s and 2s — we won’t play Tennessee.

UNC would be my pick out of the 6s. UConn out of the 2s.
 
#591      
Fly Illini Fly!
March2TheArch said:
What happens if Virginia beats Duke?
Click to expand...
We still wouldn’t have been a 4. Here’s the latest bracket matrix:

IMG_0505.jpeg

I still don’t think UVA would’ve jumped us.

And even if they did, you’d still need TWO of these teams to leap us: Gonzaga, Nebraska, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Kansas.

Barring 100% brainrot from the committee, the 4seed talk was always a baked-in overreaction following our WISC loss. And that’s not a bad deed, probably — Kendall Gill said we’d be a 6 following Michigan. It’s just there’s a separate world called objective reality, in which Illinois is much better positioned (and highly likely to land a 3seed).

And also, UVA did not beat Duke. To me Duke not winning their conf tourney was the most unlikely upset of all teams in CBB.

I also think Purdue got super lucky — they did not play well, and barely won against a UCLA team without Dent and Bilodeau. If either of the two played, they probably would’ve lost.
 
Last edited:
#594      
Mr. Roberts
From the cheap seats said:
I am way more concerned with the Illini being their own toughest opponent. If Tomi regains his confidence, Kylan returns to form defensively and Andrej plays up to his capability, it won’t matter if it’s a 6 or 7 seed. The same is true the other direction if those players don’t play up to their capabilities.
Click to expand...
For all the arguing about seeds, this is all that matters.
 
#595      
21ChampaignSt
I'll take a stab at our path to a Final Four.

Wright St. > UNC > Iowa St. > Michigan

In... the Midwest.
 
#598      
ThePortalMadeMeDoIt
Fly Illini Fly! said:
We still wouldn’t have been a 4. Here’s the latest bracket matrix:

View attachment 48309
I still don’t think UVA would’ve jumped us.

And even if they did, you’d still need TWO of these teams to leap us: Gonzaga, Nebraska, Alabama, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Kansas.

Barring 100% brainrot from the committee, the 4seed talk was always a baked-in overreaction following our WISC loss. And that’s not a bad deed, probably — Kendall Gill said we’d be a 6 following Michigan. It’s just there’s a separate world called objective reality, in which Illinois is much better positioned (and highly likely to land a 3seed).

And also, UVA did not beat Duke. To me Duke not winning their conf tourney was the most unlikely upset of all teams in CBB.

I also think Purdue got super lucky — they did not play well, and barely won against a UCLA team without Dent and Bilodeau. If either of the two played, they probably would’ve lost.
Click to expand...
You go 4-5 in your last 9 and haven't had a quad 1 win or beat a tournament team since February 1. I don't believe it to be so much of an overreation.
 
#599      
Kernal12
Seems like the biggest question remaining is do we hang onto St. Louis or get shipped out. Purdue’s favorable B10 draw (as a result of getting beaten at home by Wisconsin) might give them St Louis over us.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back