Chicago Bears 2023-2024

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Other than maybe DJ Moore, there is not a person in that Bears organization that has earned a single second of a benefit of the doubt.

I’ve largely kept quiet about my pessimism about this team this year because I didn’t want to come off like a buzzkill when other people had their hopes up, but that game confirmed a ton of what I thought about the team headed into the season.

Eberflus remains a strange choice to be head coach. I’m not sure what he brings to the table. He might be the most anonymous Bears coach in my lifetime.

Getsy has yet to prove he can accomplish anything without an all time great quarterback.

I have yet to see any indication that Poles has any eye for talent at all.

In the last two years, the Bears have spent 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks on Moore, Claypool and Velnus Jones (who wasn’t even active), and those three were targeted a grand total of 4 times on 48 pass calls yesterday.

I don’t know if the issue with Fields is that he’s simply not good enough or if (as is more likely) the Bears don’t have the capacity to develop him or the talent around him, or create a game plan that plays to his strengths.

I look forward to all the hype around the Bears taking a qb with one of their top 5 draft picks approximately 7 months from now.
 
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mattcoldagelli

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champaignchris said:
Eberflus remains a strange choice to be head coach. I’m not sure what he brings to the table. He might be the most anonymous Bears coach in my lifetime.
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This is a really an accurate way of describing him.

Let's just suppose for a second the Bears found some hole in the Packers defense that warranted an near-exclusive short passing game. Someone should have at least been raising the red flag that they will look like amateurs that have been sitting on their !!! all off-season if that is what they trot out in what was supposed to have been a statement game both in terms of their capability against GB but to develop offensive talent, full stop.
 
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Illiniaaron

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champaignchris said:
Other than maybe DJ Moore, there is not a person in that Bears organization that has earned a single second of a benefit of the doubt.

I’ve largely kept quiet about my pessimism about this team this year because I didn’t want to come off like a buzzkill when other people had their hopes up, but that game confirmed a ton of what I thought about the team headed into the season.

Eberflus remains a strange choice to be head coach. I’m not sure what he brings to the table. He might be the most anonymous Bears coach in my lifetime.

Getsy has yet to prove he can accomplish anything without an all time great quarterback.

I have yet to see any indication that Poles has any eye for talent at all.

In the last two years, the Bears have spent 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks on Moore, Claypool and Velnus Jones (who wasn’t even active), and those three were targeted a grand total of 4 times on 48 pass calls yesterday.

I don’t know if the issue with Fields is that he’s simply not good enough or if (as is more likely) the Bears don’t have the capacity to develop him or the talent around him, or create a game plan that plays to his strengths.

I look forward to all the hype around the Bears taking a qb with one of their top 5 draft picks approximately 7 months from now.
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If they didn't like Fields they had a hell of an opportunity to select a new qb with the overall #1 pick this year, so I simply can't believe that is the case. I am starting to question Poles ability to put a team together, since they really didn't do much to address the glaring needs from last season, offensive and defensive line (especially pass rushers). There were several commentators who were puzzled by how the Bears ran training camp this year, insinuating that not much work was done. I really don't understand Poles' infatuation with Braxton Jones, and starting Nate Davis and Lucas Patrick after virtually no activity in the pre-season was equivalent to just rolling the ball out there and praying that things would work out on Sunday.
 
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Re: Eberflus, I admit I paid no attention to the team last year but I watched his post game presser to see what he had to say for himself and to me he seems like a cross between Dick Jauron and Tim Beckman.

My understanding is Eberflus has something he calls HITS principles which emphasizes intensity and focus on every play. Ie trying to strip the ball every play in practice and calling out every player each time they don’t try to strip the ball etc.

But the team sure didn’t look like it has been coached that way. No turnovers, absolutely zero pash rush, and blown assignments (I think on GB’s first touchdown pass Olsen specifically called out how Eddie Jackson had screwed up the coverage by letting his receiver cross over him) on defense. On offense, penalties, missed blocks leading to negative plays. They pretty much looked the exact opposite of what he supposedly preaches.

Illini are having similar issues, but what you hear out of Bielema is that it’s unacceptable, we’re going to re evaluate schemes, players etc. and Eberflus basically said after that goat rodeo of a performance they need to do better.

Even Nagy gave me better vibes at the beginning. I think this is going nowhere and Eberflus is gone in the next 2-3 years.
 
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champaignchris

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RockfordIllini said:
Re: Eberflus, I admit I paid no attention to the team last year but I watched his post game presser to see what he had to say for himself and to me he seems like a cross between Dick Jauron and Tim Beckman.
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Dick Jauron was the exact comparison I made to a buddy of mine. He’s got “coordinator” on his resume and he looks the part, but it’s really hard to point to something concrete that indicates he’s up to the task. Maybe he’s great in the locker room. Maybe he gives a great interview. I don’t know.
 
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EyeoftheIllini

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To early to start dreaming of having picks 1 and 2 in first round of 2024 draft? Carolina didn’t look very good either.
 
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champaignchris

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IMHO, Marc Trestman holds that honor
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Trestman was certainly the most bizarre Bears hire in my living memory. It looks like there’s a reason other NFL teams don’t go dipping into the CFL for coaching talent.

Nagy was the least experienced.

Eberflus and Jauron were both blandly unimpressive.

Ditka, Wannstedt and Smith were all similar as Super Bowl-winning coordinators. Wannstedt in particular was viewed as a hot up and comer.

Fox was the can’t miss hire that missed.
 
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Roundball Sage

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champaignchris said:
Trestman was certainly the most bizarre Bears hire in my living memory.
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Maybe the Bears will hire Tony La Russa out of Arizona to right the ship! Certainly worked well for the White Sox (not!). Is Bears Management tight with Reinsdorf?

The Bears and White Sox share one very important thing. Both have really passionate fan bases that have been ill-served (to put it mildly) for a really long time.

One can try to exist on 1985 and 2005 for just so long...
 
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illinistephen

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Week 1 (over)reaction:

bad:

LT: How about someone good instead of someone good for a fifth round pick?
C: Replacing bad Mustipher with bad Patrick isn't an upgrade.
Head Coach: You can't preach the HITS principle and allow Chase Claypool to get playing time.
Off Coord: Your QB's strength is running the ball, how about the running game the focal point of the gameplan?
Off Coord: You can't run a naked boot like that without an established running game
3 Tech: non-existent and bad
Edge Rushers: non-existent and bad
GM: Either your QB can't throw downfield or your coaches don't trust your QB to throw downfield. If that doesn't get better this year then trading the #1 pick was a mistake.

bright spots:

T. Edmunds
R. Johnson
T. Stevenson
 
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champaignchris

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Roundball Sage said:
Maybe the Bears will hire Tony La Russa out of Arizona to right the ship! Certainly worked well for the White Sox (not!). Is Bears Management tight with Reinsdorf?

The Bears and White Sox share one very important thing. Both have really passionate fan bases that have been ill-served (to put it mildly) for a really long time.

One can try to exist on 1985 and 2005 for just so long...
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It was 22 years between 63 and 85 and then 20 years between 85 and 2005. It’s only been 18 years since 2005. So what are we even complaining about?
 
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john1952

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"The Bears Will Rise in 2025"

The Bears has the 6th easiest strenght of schdule this year
If the Bears record this year is similar to last year Eberflusj may be gone after next year
Given that he has the 28th lowest salary in the NFL it does not cost to keep his around a third year, before runing the reins over to the next coach who will lead us to the 2025 Superbowl.
 

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#167      

john1952

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illinistephen said:
GM: Either your QB can't throw downfield or your coaches don't trust your QB to throw downfield. If that doesn't get better this year then trading the #1 pick was a mistake.
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The Bears can not seem to get it right.

"There are times when you have to be aggressive," . "And when you have conviction on a guy, you can't sit on your hands. I just don't want to be average around here. I want to be great. And these are the moves you have to make."
Former Bears GM Ryan Pace
after trading up to take Mitch Trubisky as the second pick taken in the 2017 draft.
 
#168      

john1952

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john1952 said:
The Bears can not seem to get it right.

"There are times when you have to be aggressive," . "And when you have conviction on a guy, you can't sit on your hands. I just don't want to be average around here. I want to be great. And these are the moves you have to make."
Former Bears GM Ryan Pace
after trading up to take Mitch Trubisky as the second pick taken in the 2017 draft.
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It could be worse.

  • Rodgers was the Jets' 12th different starting QB since 2016. Over that span, the Jets have the NFL's worst passer rating, completion percentage and touchdown-to-interception ratio.
 
#169      

Mr. Tibbs

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it’s going to be a long season for the Bears
there is ZERO difference between Poles & Eberfluss from Pace & Nagy. ZERO .ssdd
 
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Grandpa

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Mr. Tibbs said:
it’s going to be a long season for the Bears
there is ZERO difference between Poles & Eberfluss from Pace & Nagy. ZERO .ssdd
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Poles didn't trade up. That's a joke.

I'm still in the "give him another year" mode, but am also afraid that he will kill a golden opportunity.
 
#171      

Mr. Tibbs

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Grandpa said:
Poles didn't trade up. That's a joke.

I'm still in the "give him another year" mode, but am also afraid that he will kill a golden opportunity.
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Poles basically gave up a later first round draft choice for Claypool - hes a cancer in the clubhouse from what I hear
his first pick in 2022 draft, Velus Jones , isnt even active on roster

things are not looking good so far, but the Bears will give him 4-5 years anyway
 
#172      

champaignchris

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Mr. Tibbs said:
Poles basically gave up a later first round draft choice for Claypool - hes a cancer in the clubhouse from what I hear
his first pick in 2022 draft, Velus Jones , isnt even active on roster

things are not looking good so far, but the Bears will give him 4-5 years anyway
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I don’t know. His hand picked guy that wasn’t on anyone’s list of up and coming head coaches is now 3-15 with little indication of a direction or identity for this football team. A new Pres of Football Ops has been hired since Poles was hired.

If this year is a disaster, he might get one more year.
 
#173      

Illinoise

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Mr. Tibbs said:
Poles basically gave up a later first round draft choice for Claypool - hes a cancer in the clubhouse from what I hear
his first pick in 2022 draft, Velus Jones , isnt even active on roster

things are not looking good so far, but the Bears will give him 4-5 years anyway
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Claypool is a bust. No way around that. It happens.

Velus Jones was not the Bears first pick in the 2022 draft. Brisker and Gordon were 2nd round picks. Also drafted Braxton Jones in the 5th round.

Turning this roster around is not easy and there are no quick fixes. I’m more concerned about the coaching and QB play than the GM at this point.
 
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Roundball Sage

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Mr. Tibbs said:
it’s going to be a long season for the Bears
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It's been so long since the Bears won anything useful that it's good to remind ourselves that Chicago once had 5 CHAMPIONSHIPS WITHIN 8 YEARS!

The Bears won the NFL Championships in 1940, 1941, 1943, and 1946. And the Chicago Cardinals won the Championship in 1947.

My, how the Times and expectations have changed. The Bears now play Lost in the 'Fields'. And the Cardinals play lost in the Desert Sands.
 
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